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Should revealing or threatening to reveal information posted on Board77 outside the board be punished by banning?
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13% [ 5 ]
No.
  
88% [ 35 ]
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laureanna
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Several random answers to this poll, all of them "no, because ...":

1. No, don't ban the person from access to read or write in the boards. If someone is threatening to do lots of harm via his activities on the message board, an admin simply needs to go in and switch the threatener's preferred language to Korean. It will take him a week to figure out how to switch it back, and by then, he'll have cooled off.;)

2. No, don't ban the person from access to looking at our dirty laundry. Exactly how much harm can a person do on a message board, or with the contents of a message board, anyway? Nothing on the Internet is watertight. If you have posted something ugly here that you would not say to the person's face, and cannot allow to be said to that person's face at all cost (even the cost of friendship with another person) perhaps it shouldn't be posted here in the first place. A community that adheres to the Golden Rule shouldn't need to be hidden from view.

3. No, don't ban the person from your community. You don't cut a friend off from your community because he isn't perfect, and has moments of anger, or vengefulness, or protectiveness, or smallness, or stupidity, or craziness, or divided loyalties, or drunkenness, or some other reason you probably don't know about. If you did, you'd quickly end up with a very small community - a community of yourself only. All people do things we disagree with. That's what makes life more interesting.

4. No, don't ban the person from his community. It's really traumatic. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Well, one person, but she's not in this community.... yet, and I admit it would just be for the revenge aspect.

5. No, don't ban a person for an offense that does not match the magnitude of the punishment. Saying something to 200 people in a whisper, then insisting that it is "confidential", then expecting no one to even paraphrase what you have said is unreasonable.

6. No, don't stone a person if you live in a glass house. I've said things to others about what I've read here, everything from public stuff (the Pope dying) to more personal stuff (I told TheDaimonLucifer that he had been put up for vote twice, and not received a majority of approval, based upon some of his actions many months ago in TORC. I did not name names.)

7. No, don't punish someone for actions not yet taken. That's not how a democracy works. If you have secrets here that cannot be protected, get rid of them. Don't get rid of all people who drink, get angry, get hurt, or get crazy, on the off chance they might do something, or even threaten to do something, in the future. Again, you'd have a really small community by the time you were done.

8. And for all of you who are holier-than-thou about not banning people for threatening to disrupt the board, I might point out that we have already "pre-banned" quite a few people - by voting their invitation down - on the chance that they might disrupt the board if they were allowed in. By being a closed board, we are in the business of banning some now, and banning others later. Do we want that?

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Laureanna, re number 8--no, many of us do not want that. "Holier-than-thou" is, I think, unkind. To oppose banning someone for threatening to disrupt the board has nothing to do with whether or not the board should be open, and you can't assume someone's view on one point based on their view on the other.

Otherwise, I agree with all your points.

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Soooooooo, everyone says no. Is there actually something we're arguing about here?


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If someone is threatening to do lots of harm via his activities on the message board, an admin simply needs to go in and switch the threatener's preferred language to Korean. It will take him a week to figure out how to switch it back, and by then, he'll have cooled off
I quite like this one.

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I, too, have to vote "no" to the posed question.

..........and laureanna's post said much of what I have been thinking today. :)


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I voted no. I agree with Vison, Cerin, Ethel, Prim, Ber, Nin, Pips, Lidless, Anthy, Holby, Sass,
laureanna and ‘Beth. I just the love the warm fuzzy feelings here!


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I voted no, and think that the sooner this board opens up, the better. But that's another poll. :D

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No...for my reasoning, see Laureanna's post (except for 4 - but I sympathise!)

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No to banning, but yes to some sort of effort being made to discourage it. Not that it really matters now.

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This whole thing is, I'm sorry to say, just plain stupid. Stop trying to draw fine lines between what is acceptable and what is not, as they will virtually always be a matter of facts and circumstances and viewed differently through the 180-or-so sets of eyes that currently have privileges to view this board. My view is that sharing information here, in whatever form, should NOT result in a ban; my second choice is very clearly enunciated statement of which specific forum's posts would subject someone to a ban, and what exact actions by a poster with respect to that forum whould result in a ban; my third choice is to have a general prescriptive requirement (i.e., that one shall not pass along information to someone outside this Board with an intent to cause harm to any B77 member or non-member) that could form the basis for a complaint, followed by a short hearing, then followed by a vote of the entire Board membership with a supermajority (2/3 or 3/4 of all voting) required to give someone the boot.

But really, this is all really tiring. . .


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Iavas_Saar wrote:
No to banning, but yes to some sort of effort being made to discourage it.
Such as?
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Not that it really matters now.
Why not?


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yovargas wrote:
Why not?
Maybe because things have already been leaked? Dunno...that's just my perception. It's already not really a private board and we're working to get it open so really all this talk about what's private seems like a gigantic waste of people's time and effort.

We've established that nothing is private online, things will leak, things have leaked, we want this board to be open, and we want it to be open as soon as possible.

So instead of squabbling, starting polls (no offense yov ;)...we've just had a couple now pertaining to this issue it seems, or at least discussions), and wasting time, shouldn't we be working hard to get the governance issues sorted out? ;) The sooner we get that done the sooner we can drop this subject! :D Wouldn't that be kewl? :dance: Sersiously though, this will be a moot point soon and since the majority of us have accepted things can and will get out and that we have no way of controlling that, I just think it would be so much more rewarding if we could focus our attention on more important matters.

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Hell yeah, Eru. :D Trust me, I had no desire to do this now obviously useless poll. Or perhaps not useless because it seems to have brought into focus how unnecessary this squabbling over privacy is.


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Just to be different I voted yes. I have no great arguments for why, just that I want to be different.

After reading a few threads concerning this issue I'm getting the feeling that the rules would have to be situationally specific. Someone says that they have shared a harmless joke thread, but yet that person may not want their serious thread shared (even though this is the net and such a thing is impossible to monitor). It isn't that certain parts of this board are closed to the "public". The whole board is. If that is the case, the only logical confientiality rule is that ANY information passing is a punishable offense. Also the only punishment is a ban of some sort, either from a particular forum, or the whole board, or even posting privileges be revoked. Either way you slice it, the poster has been "banned" from participating in the board.

ETA: Wonderful! Now the poll is useless. Bah.

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Eru, thank you. I Totally Agree.

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Quote:
Iavas_Saar wrote:
No to banning, but yes to some sort of effort being made to discourage it.

Such as?

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Not that it really matters now.

Why not?
It doesn't matter because a) The TORC drama has died down so the potentially hurtful venting is over - the privacy needed to be dealt with thoroughly at the time, and b) The board will soon be open.

As for what could be done to discourage it, simply adding a rule that sharing information outside the forum that the author would not want shared would be considered a violation if discovered.

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TORN wrote:
This whole thing is, I'm sorry to say, just plain stupid.
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But really, this is all really tiring. . .
Wise and true words, TORN!

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Ooh, I voted but didn't post... Well I voted no! For some reasons that are already posted.

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Maybe what we need is a copyright notice on our words? If everyone put a copyright notice in their sig, then no one could copy their words without permission.

Copyright © 2005 by MariaHobbit. All rights reserved. No portion of this post may be copied in whole or in part without permission of the author.

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That's too good, Maria. I'm stealing it! :D


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