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Jnyusa
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Posted: Wed 07 Dec , 2005 7:27 pm
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Dear Members,

We are now opening for discussion the ratification of an amendment to Article 5, ¶1 concerning the Bike Racks forum.

The discussion period will last from Wednesday December 7, ~ 2:30 pm EST to Friday, December 16, ~2:30 pm EST

Votiing will begin Friday, December 16, ~2:30 pm EST and last until December 25, ~2.30 pm EST.

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The current text concerning the Bike Racks reads as follows:

Article 5: Dispute Resolution in the Outside Forum
¶1: The Bike Racks Forum


The Bike Racks Forum is a read and write forum available to all members. It is used for:
• resolving disputes between individual members when these disputes do not involve a violation of board rules;
• off-topic discussions that are derailing a thread but do not warrant a thread of their own;
• restricting posters who have provided invalid email addresses.

Members may start a thread in that forum to resolve a personal dispute.


It is proposed that we add here the following sentence.

This forum is intended solely for earnest attempts to resolve bona fide disputes, and threads that are not started for that purpose will be moved.

And that the text concerning second use of the Bike Racks (derailed threads) be changed to:

• splitting off quarrelsome or disruptive posts that are derailing a thread;

And that the text concerning the third use of the Bike Racks (invalid email addresses) be eliminated because it is obsolete under our current group permission system.

If this amendment is not passed, the current wording of ¶1 will remain unchanged, and it will be up to the discretion of the Rangers whether or not a particular thread disturbs the coherence of the forum and to move it accordingly using their routine powers under Article 3, ¶4. A poster whose thread has been moved may still contest this decision as provided in Article 3, ¶7 but all other means of protest remain a violation of the by-laws.

When the poll is put up, it will ask you to ratify the amendment by agreeing to the changes proposed. If you do not want those changes to Article 5, ¶1, then you should vote that you do not agree.

Jn

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Posted: Wed 07 Dec , 2005 7:34 pm
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Are we getting rid of the "restricting posters who provide invalid email addresses"?

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Yes, it is part of the ballot.

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Obiviously I can't read.

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*bump*

If anyone wants to, you know, DISCUSS this ballot this is where you may do so.

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Quote:
This forum is solely intended for earnest attempts to resolve bona fide disputes, and threads that are not started for that purpose will be moved.
I have a slight rearrangement suggestion that I think reads a bit better:

This forum is intended solely for earnest attempts to resolve bona fide disputes; threads that are not started for that purpose will be moved.


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Cerin, I'll add that as an alternate wording, and let people comment on their preference here in the thread.

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Thanks, Jnyusa.

Fixer, I think people expressed their viewpoints on this issue fairly expansively during the two upheavals surrounding mock threads, so that may be why there is not much discussion left to be had at this point.

I appreciate the committee's work, and especially your willingness to step up when it looked like things were going to fall apart.


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Grammatically, Cerin's change looks fine by me.

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I agree with TED on the grammatical change.

This might be one of the least commented-on ballots ever.

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The ballot itself isn't that controversial. It's straight forward. My guess is that people have decided already and are waiting to vote.

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I will of course be voting against this amendment, seeing that most people can differentiate and appreciate the difference between a mock and a real dispute.

To have the dual layer of protection - one within the thread, as well as the forum itself is completely unnecessary, IMHO.

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And I will be voting for it, of course, in an attempt to prevent future disputes like the one we all just lived through.

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I will probably be voting no as well, as it is an unecessary change, and an arbitrary decision on what is necessary to prevent such disagreements in the future.

Even if it passes overwhelmingly, it will not prevent such disagreements in the future, it will only prevent such disagreements ABOUT THE BIKERACKS in the future... and it might even fail to do that.

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Primula_Baggins wrote:
And I will be voting for it, of course, in an attempt to prevent future disputes like the one we all just lived through.
But a no vote by the membership would also mean that playful threads are allowed, thus ending the controversy as well.

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Lidless wrote:
Primula_Baggins wrote:
And I will be voting for it, of course, in an attempt to prevent future disputes like the one we all just lived through.
But a no vote by the membership would also mean that playful threads are allowed, thus ending the controversy as well.
I don't think this is the case, because there is an obvious difference of opinion as to whether playful threads are allowed under the current rules. It's true, then, that we have two choices - one is to acquiesce to (make explicit) one interpretation of the current rules, and the other is to reject the explicit option, and leave the difference of opinion hanging. Since neither outcome makes explicit the right of joke threads to exist in the BikeRacks, either result could tragically give rise to the perception that one "side" of this lengthy (two month, which is an online eon) debate has "won" it. Strike up the band.

I was most disappointed to see that there was no "Make it go away, who the hell cares, and also, why are we STILL talking about this" option on the ballot. Since only that option would reflect my views, I am unsure whether I will be voting at all. Apologies for the bluntness.


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tp, I absolutely believe that a defeat of this amendment will have the de facto result of allowing less then serious dispute threads in the bike racks. That is true, I might add, whether it is defeated because it fails to get 2/3 or more of the vote, or if (as I expect will happen) it is defeated because it does not reach a quorum. It is pretty axiomatic that if one attempts to clarify an ambiguous statutory provision to clarify that it means a certain thing and that attempt fails, the alternative interpretation is the one that should stand.

I will for this reason be voting against the amendment, as I believe that the board77 community will be better served by a loosening of the rules then by a tightening of them.


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Well Prim seems to be using the yes vote as a "make it go away" option. If others do too, that would be a shame.

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Well, it does make it go away. Voronwë argues that the other result would do the same, but as it happens I disagree. Others may, too.

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tolkienpurist wrote:
I was most disappointed to see that there was no "Make it go away, who the hell cares, and also, why are we STILL talking about this" option on the ballot.
:Q She reads minds!
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I will for this reason be voting against the amendment, as I believe that the board77 community will be better served by a loosening of the rules then by a tightening of them.
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