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Riverthalos
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 4:52 pm
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Cool. :cool:

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Rebecca
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 4:53 pm
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So enthusiastic, Jude. ;)

And thanks to all the volunteers. :)

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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 5:02 pm
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I'm willing to be the other Ranger on the committee.


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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 5:16 pm
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Well if there is any need any more I'd like to toss my hat in the ring.

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Riverthalos
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 5:17 pm
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Okay. We need some sort of agreement that Eru can serve as Mayor and a Loremaster then,

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Rebecca
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 5:24 pm
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For what it's worth, I agree that she should be.

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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 5:45 pm
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While I don't really want to be a Ranger, if things get sticky and you have no volunteers, you can call on me. It's a time issue, that's all.

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Riverthalos
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 6:43 pm
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Mayor: Eru?
Loremaster:
Ranger who started the mess: Riverthalos
Other serving Ranger: elfshadow
Former Ranger: LalaithUrwen
Members: halplm, Estel, Farawen, Jude, Ara-Anna

Once we get a Loremaster on board we'll be at ten. We need an odd number so vison, if you're interested, you're welcome. Currently, the only name I've seen both actively posting and in the Loremaster pool is sugaplum. Lurker's also on the list but I haven't seen him lately.

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halplm
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 7:27 pm
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CG would like to be on the committee.

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Holbytla
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 8:09 pm
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Keep in mind that there are two separate committees or maybe one committee dealing with two separate issues. One issue is the review for use of extraordinary powers and the other is amending the charter.

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Holbytla
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 8:43 pm
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halplm wrote:
CG would like to be on the committee.
I believe he has the means of emailing the admin account and I would suggest that he make his choice known via that route. Not that I don't believe that is the case, but to be fair to him he should say so himself. And he may have done so already.

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LalaithUrwen
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 8:52 pm
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If there are two committees, there is no way CG should be on the committee to review the abuse of power allegation against River. If it's one committee assigned the task of both things, he should also not be on the committee.


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Holbytla
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 8:59 pm
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I don't believe the charter precludes him from being on the committee. I'll reread it to make sure though.

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Eruname
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 9:04 pm
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Considering this all has some to do with him, I don't think he should be part of a committee that affects him.

So I gotta say I'm not that keen on having to wade through all this stuff so if there's another person out there that wants to toss their hat it, please do so.

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LalaithUrwen
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 9:13 pm
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All right, I think we're getting confused. (I know I am.) The committee is convening to decide whether or not the Ranger's ruling on 9.11.08 is something we want to keep, perhaps by amending the charter.

I don't think anyone is deciding the allegations against River yet. First, CG has to make the request for a hearing when he comes back; secondly, two Rangers have to agree that a hearing is called for.


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Riverthalos
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 9:13 pm
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sf also wants on the committee. I think it would be highly counter-productive and I'd prefer it if we could refuse them both until they've gone through a mediation process.

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Holbytla
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 9:14 pm
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Well seeing how the rangers took over the Mayor's duties it would seem appropriate to substitute a ranger for the Mayor. No I do not want to be the one. Make Rebecca do it. :P

As far as the conflict goes, River is on the committee (whether she wants to or not) and she certainly has a vested interest in this. I think they pretty much cancel each other out.

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Holbytla
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 9:26 pm
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LalaithUrwen wrote:
All right, I think we're getting confused. (I know I am.) The committee is convening to decide whether or not the Ranger's ruling on 9.11.08 is something we want to keep, perhaps by amending the charter.

I don't think anyone is deciding the allegations against River yet. First, CG has to make the request for a hearing when he comes back; secondly, two Rangers have to agree that a hearing is called for.


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Well I was getting ahead of myself there. This is a review of whether there is sufficient need to amend the charter because extraordinary powers were used. That is all for now.
If the committee feels there is a need, they will then bring it to the membership for a vote providing we can meet a quorum.

As for the rest.
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¶7: How to Contest the Decision of a Ranger

All Ranger decisions may be contested.

Disputes of a personal nature involving a Ranger can be resolved at the Bike Racks.

If a Ranger has convened a Hearing, then the member will explain their side of the issue at the Hearing.

Ranger decisions made while exercising routine powers (such as edits, moving threads, etc.) may be contested in the following way:
• The member affected by the action contacts the Ranger by PM or email and requests that the action be reviewed
• If the poster and the Ranger can reach an agreement between them, nothing else need be done. If the poster and the Ranger cannot agree, the poster can ask for an independent review.
• The independent review will be conducted by two other Rangers and one Jury member, and they will decide to overturn or uphold the original decision.
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¶5: Special and Emergency powers of Rangers

• Edit Posts if they contain objectionable content (for example, abuse of another poster, defamatory remarks, pornographic, violent or distasteful content, or advertisement of products), or if they reveal personal information that compromises another poster's privacy or contain any personal information about a minor.

• Enact an Immediate Ban for the following offenses if the poster has registered within the last seven days:
1. Spamming the board with ads;
2. Spamming the board with porn;
3. Hacking the board;
4. Refusing to abide by the Decision of Jury in a Hearing;
5. Threats of real life violence or other criminal acts against members.

In all other cases the poster has the Right to a Hearing, and if the poster registered more than seven days ago they are considered a member of the community and have a right to a hearing for these offenses as well; but their posting rights will be restricted to the Jury Room for the duration of the hearing.• Temporarily suspend posting rights or restrict access to a forum:
1. In the Jury Room, if poster has interfered with a Hearing on a Ban, board-wide posting rights can be suspended until the Hearing is concluded;
2. In the There and Back Again forum, if more than one complaint has been made against the way an RP identity has been used, posting rights can be suspended until a Hearing can be held regarding the continuation of that identity;
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Rebecca
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 9:28 pm
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I don't think sf or CG should be on a committee about a ruling that was imposed on them. Just doesn't seem quite right to me.
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Well seeing how the rangers took over the Mayor's duties it would seem appropriate to substitute a ranger for the Mayor. No I do not want to be the one. Make Rebecca do it. :P
You're just trying to get back at me for suggesting you do it. :P I can if people want me to, though.

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Jnyusa
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Posted: Thu 20 Nov , 2008 10:05 pm
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Are you guys eager to do this? If you are, then ... forge ahead! But it's not necessary under the Charter.

The temporary ban on sf and CG was put into effect this week, based on a prior ruling made on September 11, correct? And that ruling was the result of a negotiation between sf, CG and the rangers, correct?
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7: How to Contest the Decision of a Ranger

Ranger decisions made while exercising routine powers (such as edits, moving threads, etc.) may be contested in the following way:
• The member affected by the action contacts the Ranger by PM or email and requests that the action be reviewed
• If the poster and the Ranger can reach an agreement between them, nothing else need be done. If the poster and the Ranger cannot agree, the poster can ask for an independent review.
• The independent review will be conducted by two other Rangers and one Jury member, and they will decide to overturn or uphold the original decision.
(My bolds)

Seems to me that sf, CG and the rangers reached an agreement between them back on 9/11 that they would submit to a temporary ban if the quarreling did not stop. It is not an extension of Ranger powers to enforce a prior agreement.
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• Convene a Hearing to reverse a ban if the following three conditions are met:
1. if the duration of the ban was not specified;
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The duration of the ban was specified. There's no need to hold a hearing to reverse it because it will reverse by itself.

One could argue that posters cannot agree to be banned :) but there's actually nothing in the charter about that. In this case your hearing about the ban will be going on long after the ban is over. The charter also specifies that contestants be confined to the Bike Racks/Jury Room for the duration of a hearing, so in this case the hearing actually prolongs the ban rather than reversing it. Do CG and sf really want to do that under those circumstances?

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