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PostPosted: Sat 29 Nov , 2008 10:00 pm 
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Oh, sorry. :P Yeah, I'll do it. :)

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Nov , 2008 10:03 pm 
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That's good advice, yov.

And it reminds me of something else ... in the past we've had a parallel thread in the Business Room so that members who are not on the committee can also give input. We'll do that again.

eta: OK, thanks, Rebecca

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 12:15 am 
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From the other thread I wrote:

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So I gotta say I'm not that keen on having to wade through all this stuff so if there's another person out there that wants to toss their hat it, please do so.


I still feel that way. I don't know if I could really deal with this. So yeah, leaning much more towards I'd really rather not have to be on the committee.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 12:53 am 
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Hey, I've been really really busy with stuff. I volunteered my services in some thread or other, but I really can't take the time off to trawl through all that stuff at the moment, what with essays and projects and exams coming up.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 3:55 am 
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Eru, no problem. If you were still acting as Mayor it would be different, but you shouldn't be obligated to do stuff just because we failed to replace you.

Crucifer, I didn't see your name for this particular job in the other thread, so I didn't have you on the list. I apologize if I overlooked you before, but if you don't want to do it anyway then it comes out even. :P

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 9:55 am 
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I'm not saying that I won't do it if those two are also on the committee. I just want strong assurances from them that they will put the health of the board first... above any personal agendas. We don't have enough people posting anymore for the board to be considered even the least bit healthy. Any more big dramas and we could lose even more posters. Then it wouldn't matter what their issues are, becaue they would only be posting with each other.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 8:34 pm 
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Thanks, Estel.

What I would like to see from sf and CG before we start:

1. from sf, that he still wants to be on the committee, because he hasn't posted confirmation yet, and I really am not sure whether this is the committee he wanted

2. from CG, who has confirmed participation, that he agrees with the content of my last post about his particular concerns. I'm going to put the agenda to a vote of the committee, and issues the committee chooses not to deal with are not going to be dealt with. So I need to hear from CG that he's ok with that, and that if he wants to pursue the mass-hearing provision and the committee does not want to, he will form a second committee for that purpose rather than derailing this one.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 8:39 pm 
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p.s. Alatar, after we get a response from sf and CG, could I ask you to confirm again as well, since the terms of their participation were a concern for you too

Also, the list now in the first post has 12 people, so we need one more to have an odd number (or one less, if it turns out that way).

TED has been really interested in this for a long time but I haven't seen him on the board the past few days. Would it be possible to contact him by email and tell him this is happening?

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 9:24 pm 
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You can count me in. I was not at my computer all weekend, but Jny is right about my interest.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 9:28 pm 
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I would be willing to be on it if it is not a disruption

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 10:16 pm 
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Great. Thanks, guys.

I've got to PM the Rangers to find out how a couple procedures are executed these days, and then we'll start.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 10:28 pm 
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When we begin--is Jny the leader of this committee?--can we have a "ready, set, go" posted here or PMed?

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 10:35 pm 
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Dunno, but I'd be fine with Jny being in charge. Did she volunteer for that? :)


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 10:42 pm 
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I'm not volunteering her, only asking since she started this thread, and called this committee.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 11:07 pm 
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yovargas wrote:
Jnyusa wrote:
It might be a plus to have both guys on the committee because we won't be tempted to use them as examples (!) and will focus instead on the generic problems that might arise with any small group of posters.


In a sense, I think that's part of the problem with the "let's consult the charter" approach - by and large, there hasn't been a generic kind of problem that needs to be addressed. IMO, just about any time there's some problem that the Rangers need or are asked to address, it's a different thing. Because of this, I strongly believe that any problems that arise should be dealt with on a case by case basis. The Rangers should never feel handicapped from doing what they feel is the sensical and practical thing in one given situation just because it didn't happen to be in "the Charter".


Sorry for repeating this but I feel pretty strongly about this and especially since Jn responded positively to my notion, I wanted to put it out there again in the hopes that it'd be in peoples mind while this in going on.


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 11:12 pm 
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I agree with you and I prefer relying on common sense.
From the start of this board, the rangers have been left powerless. After seeing how things have gone the last few years, I am guessing that people feel the need for rangers to have some ability to actually make decisions.
I think the pendulum has swung a bit back towards the center and I think the board prefers that rangers have the power to make some decisions.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 11:12 pm 
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Thanks for repeating that, yov. I think it is a good way of thinking for future problems.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Nov , 2008 11:30 pm 
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TED,

Right now I'm in charge of this thread, because I started it, but I don't consider myself in charge of the committee. Looking at the committee, in fact, most of you were not on the original charter committee and I think that's a big plus.

I wanted to check with Rebecca about a couple things before starting because it's been so long since I did a committee here. But I just heard back from her, so I'll tell you what I'm going to do right now to get the ball rolling, and then I'll tell you what role I propose for myself after we've started, and you all can say whether you agree with it or not.

• Right now I'm going to start a thread in the BR/JR and paste the proposed agenda into it. The first thing we have to do is approve the agenda, so I'm going to ask three questions about that and, depending upon what people answer, I'll modify the agenda and put it to a vote.

Once we approve the agenda, anyone can lead the committee, imo.

• The role I propose for myself is "ramrod." :D Someone has to draft a ballot when a ballot is needed, count votes if there's a secret ballot, format nicely (with colors and all) the new text while the discussion goes on to the next item, and a bunch of donkey stuff like that which frees the committee to keep moving along, hence "ramrod."

On the original charter committee I did probably 90% of that work. (We always had a couple people counting votes but those ballots were more complicated than these will be.) Last time all that stuff was very time consuming, and I also expressed a lot of opinions in the threads while doing the other stuff. This time the donkey work itself is a lot simpler, e.g. it's unlikely we'll need instant runoff voting, and I don't have a lot of opinions to express, so I don't mind being the ramrod, and that's probably the most productive thing I could do for the committee.

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Dec , 2008 2:26 am 
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Jnyusa wrote:
Thanks, Estel.

What I would like to see from sf and CG before we start:

1. from sf, that he still wants to be on the committee, because he hasn't posted confirmation yet, and I really am not sure whether this is the committee he wanted

2. from CG, who has confirmed participation, that he agrees with the content of my last post about his particular concerns. I'm going to put the agenda to a vote of the committee, and issues the committee chooses not to deal with are not going to be dealt with. So I need to hear from CG that he's ok with that, and that if he wants to pursue the mass-hearing provision and the committee does not want to, he will form a second committee for that purpose rather than derailing this one.


Yes, count me in. I can abide by an agenda, even if it doesn't have what I want on it.

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Dec , 2008 11:45 pm 
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Folks, we need an additional volunteer for the charter amendment committee to make an odd number. Anyone up for it?

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