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Estel
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When the boards are open, the best idea would indeed probably be to have that forum restricted.

I wasn't going to discuss it now, but I've already said something about it to Ber, Eru and Griff.

Basically, when the boards open up, we'll have the forum "Private" so no one can read it, but not "Hidden" - so that people *can* see that there is a forum (but they'll only be able to see the title).

If they want in, they'll have to:

1. Click one of those lovely buttons that say "yes, I am over 18". If they lie, it's not our fault.

2. They will have to be an active and posting member of the boards for at least a month (to avoid lechers and perverts who just want to make a one time post and really make it about porn).


The rules for "banning" people from that particular forum (but not from the whole board) would have to be different as well. If someone, for instance, became verbally abusive towards people posting in there then he/she could be "banned" from that forum upon request (after, of course, a check to see if the abuse is real), even though they wouldn't be banned from the boards.

The whole point of the forum is that it's a place where people can comfortably talk about the most intimate aspects of their own life, without having to worry about offending anyone, and without having to worry about people judge outloud (which could easily lead to that verbal abuse I was talking about).

That comfort level would be lost if we opened up the forum to anyone who bothered to click a button. Lets keep it a bit more private than that, yes?



Edit: oh, and Leoba - I've already gotten private thanks from a few people for going ahead and saying I was going to create a seperate forum for this kind of talk. So yeah, there have been people who didn't want to see it.


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Estel--
good points about the state of things after opening. It will be different, and harder to keep the level of comfort I've seen in some threads along this line.

edit to add--and one of the reasons I've been putting up the threads I have is to force the issue, and obviously I DO want to see it ;)

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And btw., we could also use a forum where we plot our next terrorist attacks and safe breaks ... :)
Mumm, it makes me nervous to see something like this even when it is obviously a joke. It only takes one paranoid U.S. homeland security geek seeing something like this to potentially cause problems. I don't think any one of us wants to wind up on a list somewhere. I have seen some very bizarre things in the past three years (I don't mind to offend anyone's political sensibilities, its just the pure and simple truth).


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I just had to ask, Estel. :):mrgreen: My mother always said she'd give me a wooden spoon as a wedding present, to assist my stirring. :roll: It sounds fine to me (so long as Satch & Leafy can still get in) and allays some of my nervousness about one of the people I proposed for invitation.

We're going to lose another layer of cosiness anyway in the next week or so when the next group of newcomers arrive, so it's just another mindset alteration. :)

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Leoba wrote:
Well perhaps if we exercise a little common sense and don't discuss pornography? :):roll: :suspicious:

I wouldn't want to force this.

For instance, I took an anthropology class in University "Cultural Symbols, Feminism and Pornography."

The professor was a member of "Feminists for Fornication," and required reading for the class included "Hustler", "Marquis de Sade", "Story of O", etc etc. That's not even including the films we watched, which were everything from typical girl on girl playboy type to "girl on guy" hetero films made for females by females, to gay films, erotica and fetish films. We even had a field trip to a full nude strip club as our final exam - had to interview the strippers as well as watch them perform.

It was one of the best and most enlightening classes I've ever taken, and a philosophical/anthropological discussion about porn would actually be pretty interesting.

We could even have a weird little book club - everyone could read something like "120 Days of Sodom" and discuss it - could be pretty cool.

I'm just saying, a discussion about "porn" would not necessarily be a bad thing, as long as it was done with a little bit of class and intelligence rather than :drunk: , :drool: and =:) .

Just my personal take on things though :)








On a side note (or rather, back to the main subject) I haven't seen or heard from anyone yet who wants option A or B in this. Is this right, or have I missed someone? :oops:


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One of the problems of a global community when it comes to this sort of thing. Age of consent is 18 in the US, Leoba. I'm pretty sure about that because 18 is when you are officially an "adult". But, it's not fair to hold those from other countries to the US's more strict standards.

I think just for protection against any US laws or problems, the idea of having a page that asks you to confirm that you are 18 or older would be best. That way, noone could get in trouble for anything and satch and others could still get in.

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A big, fat, NO to this idea.

I'm sorry, I don't like it. Yes, there are people that don't like the idea of having stuff like "fav. sexual position" around...but, to forgive my crudity, they don't have to look, and if they Really have issue, they don't have to be here.

This appears to me as two things: one, a step to telatubbie this board in the manner in which TORC is (instead of removing it completely, just putting it away somewhere else) and, well, I can't remember my other point. We already had a discussion pretty close to this, about the age issue, and it seemed to me we decided that getting on the board, period, would require an age thing. (And by the way, might want to check the law books...last I heard, the latest effort to "protect" minors from pornography online was struck down. I've only heard that you need to have a "warning" about the content.)

I do NOT like the idea of limiting the content of the rest of the board. Are we going to have to make a Porn RP Forum for those RPs that Might want to have a bit of adult content? Is a thread going to be moved over to the Porn Forum the moment one of us makes a sexual innuendo? Or are we going to start warning people for doing that?

Another reason I don't like doing this is it would restrict the readership of these threads. Whether intentionally or not people will avoid the Porn Forum entirely, just like I avoid Music. The end result of that is that conversations which, ordinarily, those people that would avoid things might just pop in and realize "hey, this isn't so bad...maybe I'll post somethiing" won't happen any more...there'll be less of a diversity. It's like on TORC, that people in the Philosophy forum are the same group...and other people don't come in. But when you get away with starting a philosophyish thread in Talk, you get a whole new group who're willing to talk, but don't want to go into Philosophy. I wouldn't want the "Fav. sexual positions" thread to just be about the people who visit the Porn Forum...but about everyone on the board.

Maybe the idea of a specific forum for some of this stuff isn't so bad, but I REALLY don't like any hard lines, any requirements that certain types of threads be only over there, and that other stuff cannot be put out on the rest of the board.

Please consider these thoughts Before making this forum.

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Guru - I'm also thinking of people who don't want to see this sort of thing when they come online. I have already gotten thank you emails from people who don't want to see this when they come in here.

Since there is going to be a debate, I'll start up a thread in the business section and we can do a 9 day vote on it before we make any forum change thing.


Edit: here's the link

http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... um=board77


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Guru, for me setting up a Porn forum is not so a matter of limiting the content of the rest of the board, or of teletubbying B77. It's a matter of cleaning up the place and keeping it manageable and readable. It does get kind of taxing and wearisome to skim through numerous threads with very different topics that just end up being started in Turf. If I want to talk about movies, I grab a glass of orange juice and head over to the Movies forum. If my deart desires to discuss literature, I check out the Books forum. And if I can muster the strength to dive into the Invite forum (I can hardly keep up with the threads in there, and the polls that get randomly started tend to confuse me if I've had a bad day) I do and do my duty by voting and commenting.

We don't even have 100 members now, yet the board is already hard to keep up with. I was only half joking in hal's When did we get so busy thread. Imagine this place a few months from now? People might actually start thinking about LEAVING this board because they can't keep up with the fora that interest them.

IMO we should set up as many different fora as possible, the Turf being the one place where we collect all threads that don't fit anywhere else. And only if and as long as they don't.
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Another reason I don't like doing this is it would restrict the readership of these threads. Whether intentionally or not people will avoid the Porn Forum entirely, just like I avoid Music. The end result of that is that conversations which, ordinarily, those people that would avoid things might just pop in and realize "hey, this isn't so bad...maybe I'll post somethiing" won't happen any more...there'll be less of a diversity. It's like on TORC, that people in the Philosophy forum are the same group...and other people don't come in. But when you get away with starting a philosophyish thread in Talk, you get a whole new group who're willing to talk, but don't want to go into Philosophy. I wouldn't want the "Fav. sexual positions" thread to just be about the people who visit the Porn Forum...but about everyone on the board.
I hear ya. But you can't make people check out threads that they think they won't like. You can only count on their openness in checking out no things, but if we "trick" people into reading threads that don't interest them, they might end up doing anything but.

That said, I don't like the name "Porn Forum". How about Adult Talk, B77 Uncensored (not implying that the other parts are censored of course), or Moria?
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And btw., we could also use a forum where we plot our next terrorist attacks and safe breaks ... :)
Mumm, it makes me nervous to see something like this even when it is obviously a joke. It only takes one paranoid U.S. homeland security geek seeing something like this to potentially cause problems. I don't think any one of us wants to wind up on a list somewhere. I have seen some very bizarre things in the past three years (I don't mind to offend anyone's political sensibilities, its just the pure and simple truth).
I second Voronwe. I so totally do. Last year a poster on livejournal.com had the Feds knock on her door a week after she jokingly mentioned the world being better off with a certain politician dead. I read that post; it was painfully obvious that it was a joke.

Let's just be... careful, please.


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That said, I don't like the name "Porn Forum". How about Adult Talk, B77 Uncensored (not implying that the other parts are censored of course), or Moria?

As Steve said previously - the current idea for the name of the forum is "Kama Sutra" with the description "The Art of Sex."


I also wanted it to be a little bit more classy and tactful than the "porn forum"



Can we bring this debate over to the thread I started in business please - that way people can vote on it, as well as state their minds :)

http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... um=board77


That, and people who want the forum and want options A or B, can post here, without their posts being lost in a bunch of debate posts

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I read his suggestion, Estel. But somehow my brain did the whole "Sex" = "PORN OMG" thing, I guess. :neutral: :D

Could totally live with "Kama Sutra".


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Guru, what about people who are made uncomfortable by this? There are adults with a lot to contribute who don't care for frank sexual discussion. The separate forum allows free discussion but lets those people with strong feelings of personal privacy or who are offended by sex talk feel "safe" elsewhere. This does not mean imposing a TORC-style TOS on every other forum. It just means there's a specific place to compare orgasms, just as there's a specific place to talk about Cole Porter.

And in fact, more people might be willing to participate if they were sure they could do so in a way that's considerate of others' feelings.

I meant it when I said these threads don't bother me, but I don't read them, either (it's TMI). The people who would avoid that forum do the same, I'm sure. So there would be little or no loss of participation.

Edit: Aaaaand a bunch of people made all these points while I was tidying typos. See you all in Business.

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Gur...
can you imagine TORC with a sex forum?

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Neither can I. If anything, I suspect the curiosity factor will keep it quite boistrous and well-rounded in terms of acitivity.





Now that I read that, even it seems pretty naughty. :help:

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Leoba wrote:
Why 18, when the age of consent is 16? At least it is in the US & UK. I cannot see why a 17 year old has less of a right to discuss their sex life than a 19 year old.

We are already forbidden from discussing anything illegal (if I recall the statement correctly).
Hear hear!!

and option C of course ;)

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Head over to the business forum discussion and discuss!

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Estel, I already posted and voted in the business forum, but I'm going to add something here and then repeat it over there.

I strongly advise against giving the forum a name that has Sex or Porn in the title. I suggest instead simply calling it "Adults Only"

People who browse the forum will form a wrong impression of the whole board if they see a closed forum devoted to what appears to be pornography or exclusively sexual discussion. They will not know our sense of humor, or the nature of the discussion. Parents who browse sites to decide whether or not to filter for their kids will automatically filter when they see a name like that.

"Adults Only" gives a different impression, a protective impression rather than a furtive impression.

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Jny, I think even "adults only" gives that impression.

In a nod to one of the earliest conversations about sex on this board, we could always call it "Thinking of England"...

(Ask Leoba if you don't understand it)

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Guruthostirn wrote:
In a nod to one of the earliest conversations about sex on this board, we could always call it "Thinking of England"...

(Ask Leoba if you don't understand it)

I LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :LMAO: :LMAO:


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Btw, in case I didn't mention it...

C.

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