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TheEllipticalDisillusion
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I'll give your link a read through later, Iavas, but I'll hold its opinion with a grain of salt. Daily Kos isn't known for its unbiased reporting.

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LaRouche Says 'Georgie Porgie And Hitler' Running Government And Leading World Into Global Disaster

Greg Szymanski | August 27 2005

He likes to call President Bush “Georgie Porgie” and Vice President Cheney “Hitler in a bunker.” He considers Bush a half-wit and a “nominal President” while classifying Cheney, actually in control of the country, as trigger-happy and a Hitler-type mad-hatter.


And put “Georgie Porgie” and Hitler together in the same Oval Office and according to Lyndon LaRouche, former Labor Party presidential candidate and controversial international political figure, it’s the perfect recipe for global disaster, economic chaos and martial law, the likes of which are unimaginable to most Americans clinging to the last remnants of prosperity, democracy and freedom.


But LaRouche, 84, using his vast economic and political experience as a guide, claims Bush and Cheney aren’t the real problem, but just willing mouthpieces for a syndicate of wealthy international bankers pulling the strings and controlling the White House.


“These guys are not important. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are just the willing stooges,” said LaRouche this week in a telephone conversation from his Vermont headquarters where he operates his latest political organization called LaRouche Political Action Committee (PAC).


“These bankers are in danger of losing power since the economic system they created years ago is finally collapsing. They are at the end of their string after playing the funny money game for so long.


“Now, they are saying ‘we can’t have democracy and we need a dictatorship’ in order that they can control what’s left after the fall. This is why things are moving so fast now. Bush and company are in a race to create a dictatorship before everything collapses or people catch on to what they are trying to do.”


And LaRouche says after fighting the good fight for so many years, it his role now to “clog up the works” and alert America of the evil within since most all politicians and media commentators have “become gutless” and unable to fight for the truth.


“There isn’t much in the way of guts on Capital Hill,” said LaRouche. “The World War II generation would have never let this happen.”


Providing a powerful combination of blows with plenty of guts to both the character and integrity of Bush and Cheney, he added:


“Here you have a guy (Cheney) who is a real jerk and a Vietnam-era draft dodger. What you really have is a chicken hawk planning wars with no military background whatsoever. And then there is a psychopath for a President, the combination of which makes for a very dangerous situation.”


And in a recent August 1 radio interview with James White on the number one British commercial station, he elaborated on his views towards the nation’s top leaders:

“Bush is a man of limited intellect, and limited comprehension of what's going on around him. To some things he reacts passionately. To other things he reacts with a very curious indifference to reality. As, for example, when you have a President of the United States, who says that U.S. government bonds, which are part of the essential security system of the international monetary system, and says they're nothing but worthless pieces of paper, you know you have a President who is not quite all there.

“And in that situation, a fellow like Cheney, rising as Vice President way beyond the Constitutional limits of what a Vice President is allowed to do, is serving, actually, as an acting President. He's taking over. And I don't think George W. Bush really understands what going on.”

Although some may claim LaRouche, known for his over-the-top statements, is over-reacting, others claim the exceptionally talented economic and political forecaster is right on target with his recent prediction that America is only months, if not weeks away, from a another 9/11-like attack as well as nuclear war in Iran.


Recently after checking meticulously with numerous inside Washington sources including a high-ranking former U.S intelligence official, LaRouche put out a “world wide” red alert covering the period of August 2005.


In his alert distributed widely on the internet, The American Conservative Magazine originally claimed Cheney had already ordered the Stategic Command (STRATCOM) to prepare contingency plans for a conventional and tactical nuclear strike against hundreds of targets in Iran in the event of a “new 9/11-style attack on the U.S.


Following the initial report LaRouche then verified it with reports from highly qualified Congressional and military sources, who have confirmed the essential elements of the original story , adding the Iran plans are not merely contingency studies, but represent the policy intentions of Cheney.


“Time is of the essence,” said LaRouche. “The administration is on a fast and furious time schedule and that’s why something is going to happen in August or September. I foresee even a bigger attack than 9/11 and what they are planning is a shock-effect to the public conscience in order to take control. It is my intention to try and get them out of office before that happens.”


Gaining political prominence in the 1960’s, LaRouche originally known for his economic expertise, he has always been at odds with the traditional ruling families formerly connected with the New England opium traders and Manhattan bankers who follow in the tradition of Martin Van Buren and J.P. Morgan as well as those still clinging to the tradition of southern slave-holding.




Although the roots of differing economic theories rest deep in history and philosophical thought, LaRouche attempted to bring America’s failing economic situation into terms understood by everyone.


“After World War II, we maintained for years the world’s most powerful economy despite our foolish mistakes,” said LaRouche. “America was then put through a series of shocks with the Kennedy assassination and Vietnam while all the time the economy shifting from being an industrial, production based system to essentially a service economy.

“Now, we have white collar crooks running the country, guys who have destroyed the economy. For 40 years, we've been destroying the U.S. economy. We are now, still, nominally, the masters of a world monetary system, by virtue of the dollar. We're crashing the dollar. And the whole thing is about to come down, because of these financial derivatives kinds of nonsense, as typified by the hedge-funds crisis.

“We're sitting there, like idiots! We got ourselves into this mess: We destroyed our industry; we destroyed our agriculture; we're living off the back of the rest of the world—and we think we can go on like this forever? No. Certain countervailing things begin to come in and hit us, after, say, 40 years of lunacy.”

Concerning 9/11 and the 7/7 London bombings, Larouche thinks they both were inside government jobs, creating the necessary fear an intimidation need to lead a population into an eventual dictatorship.

Claiming the Bush and Blair governments have caused their own Reichstag fire, LaRouche claims what happened to the German people during the Nazi era is similar to what is now being played out in America.

“Remember, people first laughed at Hitler, saying he never could rise to power. But then Hermann Goering set fire to the Reichstag and dictatorial powers were granted to Hitler,” said LaRouche.

“Now we have people like Cheney, who are thinking like some of those behind Hitler then, thinking they can pull off an operation, and they have no comprehension—remember, Cheney is a draft-dodger, and here he is planning wars! And this kind of situation is the danger.

“Sensible people, around the world, know that warfare, except for defense, is a pointless operation in this day and age. The consequences are immense. There are other ways, and better ways that we can handle security problems, than going to general war simply because we're angry.”


Besides war, LaRouche thinks if Bush and his cronies were removed from power, there still is a fighting chance to save America and its economic future. Although LaRouche admits there is very little “guts: on Capital Hill, he is still trying to convince a small minority “of true patriots” in the Senate to block the Bush administration push towards martial law and a totalitarian state.


“I am essentially carrying the spear and trying to clog up the works for those on the hill who won’t come forward publicly,” said LaRouche, who is trying to use every avenue to divert the Bush administration push towards a global conflict.


Seeking the Democratic Presidential nomination without success on six occasions and running for President in 1976 as the U.S. Labor Party candidate, LaRouche has been target for harassment and litigation by the establishment on numerous occasions.


Convicted and sentenced on conspiracy charges in in the late 1980’s in what critics call a political hatchet job, German law specialist, Professor Freidrich A. Freiherr vo der Heydte, said:


"Everything we have been able to find out about the trial against Lyndon H. LaRouche, has been yet another painful reminder that the exploitation of the judicial system for the achievement of political ends, is unfortunately a method used repeatedly today in the West as well as the East."


Also, commenting on the injustice behind the LaRouche charges and conviction was former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, described the case as representing "a broader range of deliberate cunning and systematic misconduct over a longer period of time utilizing the power of the Federal government than any other prosecution by the U.S. Government in my time or to my knowledge."

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Katrina has given the globalists the perfect opportunity to start testing out their plans for a Police State:

Bush Suspends Posse Comitatus, Active Military Pour into New Orleans

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Either Bush is using Katrina as a dodge or he's ignorant of the law. Posse Comitatus states that military cannot be used for domestic law enforcement, but a rescue operation isn't enforcing the law and there has never been a ban on US military assisting in rescues inside the US.

What is Bush really up to?

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Yes, everyone standing politely by and waiting to be rescued needs to be treated like a criminal and frisked. Is there one example of someone asking to be rescued who then turned on their rescuers? No. Is there anyone who thinks a little 10 year old boy hungry and crying IS A SECURITY RISK?

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All I know is that Hurricane Katrina, The Phantom Menace, Attack Of The Clones and the love scenes in Revenge Of The Sith were unmitigated disasters the likes of which America was totally unprepared for, even though it had advanced warning.

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Iavas, please tell me you don't take LaRouche seriously!

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I know very little about him. The point is that he's not some young, paranoid, unheard of nerd sitting at a computer making this stuff up - this is a publicly known political figure. In general, you can't achieve that sort of position on your own if you're a totally unintelligent whacko.

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Iavas, Larouche is a publicly known whacko.

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sooner or later all the young paranoid nerds get old... if they're still paranoid nerds... theyr'e well known... because most nerds grow out of it.

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Iavas, Larouche is a publicly known whacko.
Okay, but why are his and others predictions coming true?

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Iavas_Saar wrote:
Okay, but why are his and others predictions coming true?

Probably because some people suck and make shitty decisions, and since that sort of thing happens on a regular basis, it's not hard to predict it happening on a large scale as well. Hell, I could've predicted some of the stuff that is happening.



On the other hand, there is a damned good reason to suspend the law against sending active troops into the area... like, maybe cause people were requesting it? Or because they couldn't get enough people in there otherwise. The ability to suspend that law is there for a reason, and the massive amount of help needed along the gulf coast is a pretty damned good reason.


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I don't see how any of his predictions have come true. We haven't had a devestating 9-11 type of attack, we haven't nuked Iran yet in response, we've just had a large natural disaster.

Have you been watching the TV at all? Every 4 minutes there were some victim or another asking where is the military, where are the troops, how could we possibly let things get this bad in America? Bush was being called every name in the book for not having massive numbers of troops magically appear in New Orleans right after the storm. Now that the law has been laid down and troops are in place, people complain about it?

This hardly qualifies as a plot to take over anything in the first place. The troops will stop the killing and lawlessness long enough to evacuate everybody. Then what do you have left? The real "string pullers" gloating because they have control of a deserted swamp?

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Yes, people wanted the military there to help with the rescue mission and deal with the lawlessness. I doubt anyone wanted them there to take complete control of everything in the city, stopping people getting in and out, even relief efforts, or searching traumatised, starving children and treating every helpless victim like a potential terrorist.

This isn't about getting future control of the city - it's about showing the nation that martial law is necessary following a crisis.

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I doubt anyone wanted them there to take complete control of everything in the city,
Somebody has to. And people were complaining because nobody had.
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stopping people getting in and out, even relief efforts, or searching traumatised, starving children and treating every helpless victim like a potential terrorist.
That's part of keeping the people safe and stopping the lawlessness. You can thank the assholes who suddenly thought they were in a rap video as soon as law enforcement broke down. In an environment where large numbers of guns have been looted and lots of reports of shots fired, it is not unreasonable at all to assume that scofflaws might utilize a child, granny, or anything they possibly can to smuggle a weapon to gain some possible future advantage.

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Somebody has to.
That's what FEMA is for is it not? Though as I quoted in the other thread, it seems they're happy enough to sabotage relief efforts rather than organise them.
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it is not unreasonable at all to assume that scofflaws might utilize a child, granny, or anything they possibly can to smuggle a weapon to gain some possible future advantage.
Wow, you are just the sort of fodder that will fit into the future big brother state perfectly. Actually, you'll probably be one of the mindless drones enforcing it.

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And living in an urban area, I can tell you that in times of extreme crisis, everyone has to be considered a potential suspect or an accomplice (even if its an unwitting accomplice.)
Cool, another endorsement for a police state - all that's needed is a few more extreme crises.
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Not often, but enough so that if you are trained to handle an angry and unruly crowd, you don't give anyone a free pass.
Ah.. I guess they should have stayed calm about not getting help for several days.
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And yes, LaRouche is a total nutbag. Everyone knows it.
Apparantly so. Well, if that's what it takes to see behind the facade..

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LaRouche is a nutbag.

Sometimes nutbags are willing to say things sane people fear to.

That doesn't make him less of a nutbag. :D

PS--This isn't the first time posse comitatus has been invoked in a major emegency, not even within recent memory.

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When was it used before?

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It CAN be suspended by POTUS in an emergency. It HAS been circumvented during the "War on Drugs". Note I didn't say there had been good reason.

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