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LalaithUrwen
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Wolfgangbos wrote:
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But excessive intoxication is the youthful pastime of our age... what else would we do with our time?
Why... become a trekkie, of course.

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Dave, you are indeed right.


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Question for those of faith.

Could please lay out for me how you think everything began and how it works - the universe, god, humans - in as scientific a manner as you can manage? It should include a description of what you think god is and how he/she came into being. What about gender? Motivation? In what physical way can god change the world? Does god monitor every single person? If so does god have multiple "souls"? What evidence do you see in todays world that god is doing good things?

And how do you resolve this - if god can currently change the world, why is there so much unfairness? If he can't change anything, if he just set things in motion, what is the point of prayer? Basically, how can someone pray and at the same time feel god wants the best for everyone?

ETA - And what is the single biggest factor that convinced/convinces you that having faith is correct?

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Iavas - I would really like to respond this post. (Notice I said "respond" not "answer!") However, I do not have the time right now to give it the time it deserves....so it will have to wait.

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Iavas_Saar
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I do hope to hear your responses :)

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Iavas, I sent you a PM about splitting this thread...I am waiting to hear your reply before I frame a response.


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Maybe that's why the dinosaurs died out. They ended up in one huge creationist-evolutionist argument that went terribly out of control.

It's not like there was much oil around at the time to have a war about...

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Blasphemy Law may be abolished (UK)

:Q I didn't even know you guys still had a blasphemy law.


Get with the twenty-first century already, ok? :poke: :D

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We do too. :oops: Sleeping paragraph, though.

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What was the url to that website that was an answer to trueorigin.org ?? Anyone know? Wasn't it talkorigin or something? I tried a few combinations and couldn't find it.

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It's talkorigins.org, but they seem to be down right now.


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Thanks. That's what I thought, but some other site popped up when I typed that in.

I will check again soon.


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http://www.talkorigins.org is the official FAQ of the talk.origins newsgroup.

http://www.trueorigin.org is an attempt to write a creationist rebuttal. Last updated ... a long time ago.

talkorigin.org (notice the missing "s" )is a typosquat by a self-promoting charlitan preacher who makes religious people look bad.

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The anti-blasphemy act just gives me lulz. I don't think there's a culture less naturally devout than that of your average Briton. :D

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Well, I certainly didn't expect the British Inquisition!

*nothing happens* :weed:

(louder) Well, I certainly didn't expect the British Inquisition!

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Well, the British did have spiffy red uniforms...

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Nobody expects the Inquisition!


:D

Sheesh. You certainly had to wait a while for that, didn't you? :P


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Inquisition?

Gah more like Witchfinders.

All Hail Matthew Hopkins that much beloved condemner of old ladies and various odd sorts who dwelt in Essex!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hopkins

Devout Brits - my ass... :LMAO:

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In brief -

Creationists have for a long time lost on the establishment portion of the first amendment. The government cannot show favoratism to religion by teaching religion in the science class, and teaching science in the science class is not a violation of establishment.

So creationists came up with attacking through the free exercise portion of the first amendment, saying that if the University of California doesn't accept transfer credits from science classes that teach creationism then UC is violation the free exercise of religion.

What the article reports is that part of the plaintiff's suit was thrown out, and the rest goes to trial instead of granting the plaintiff's request pre-trial. A partial but not complete setback for creationists.

Judge limits case against UC
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A federal judge Friday threw out some claims of a Christian school in Murrieta that sued the University of California system, saying university officials discriminated against religious schools by refusing to grant college credit for some of their courses.

Calvary Chapel Christian School and some of its students sued the UC system in 2005. The suit claimed UC officials trampled the First Amendment rights of Christian students by refusing to grant credit for classes taken at the school.

The suit argued both that the university's policies were unconstitutional on their face and that UC officials acted in a way that violated students' rights to free speech and freedom of religion by rejecting specific courses in biology, history, government, English and religion.

On Friday, U.S. District Judge James Otero in Los Angeles threw out Calvary Chapel's broader claim that the university's policies toward approving classes were plainly unconstitutional.

The Christian school had argued the university had a policy of rejecting courses solely because they had a religious viewpoint, according to the judge's order. Calvary Chapel argued, for example, that the university rejected biology courses that discuss intelligent design or creationism alongside evolution. But Otero said the school did not show that the university had an established practice of rejecting such courses.

Calvary Chapel had petitioned the judge to rule that the university had violated its students' constitutional rights by rejecting the specific courses. However, Otero refused to do so, which means those issues will now be decided at trial.

For instance, Calvary Christian challenged the university's decision to reject science courses that used two Christian biology textbooks. But Otero said the university officials had provided enough evidence that they had sound reason to reject the textbooks ---- namely, that the books encouraged students to reject scientific evidence ---- that he could not rule in Calvary Chapel's favor before trial.

Robert Tyler, an attorney with Advocates for Faith and Freedom who represents Calvary Chapel, said the judge's ruling was disappointing but not surprising.

Tyler said the claims that the policies were unconstitutional as written are difficult to prove. He added that because Calvary Chapel sought the order, the judge is required to weigh the evidence in the university's favor, making it tough to prove at this stage.

"Although we would have been happy for the court to give us summary judgment on the entire case," Tyler said, "due to the procedural and evidentiary rules that apply, it is not surprising that the court is going to require that we go to trial."

A spokeswoman for the UC system said she could not speak about the judge's order because she did not have a chance to review it late Friday.

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Interesting. That could have far-reaching implications for other Christian schools and homeschoolers.


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