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Iavas has conspiracy badgers at work in his mind again.

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Provocative?

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But why Batman? Captain America would have been such a better choice. Or make up a new superhero. Patriot-Man. The Iraqinator. Freedom Hulk.

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Can't say I'm a fan of Osama (:roll:), but I feel kinda insulted or something... :neutral: Leave poor Batman out of this!

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I am waiting for the first comic shop to be firebombed then looted.

The geek in me thinks 'will that improve the value of my limited first edition Killing Joke' or not :LMAO:


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America was traditionally a friend of the Middle East. For example, Eisenhower was highly regarded after he mediated the Suez crisis, and the US was seen as protecting the Middle East from British and French imperialism. The deterioration of relations was a gradual process, and putting the blame entirely, or even mostly, on America’s shoulders is silly. Likewise, the rise of fundamentalism was the result of many different factors.
that is a superficial analysis, French influence certainly suffered in post war period with their reluctance to walk away from the Mahgreb, however most countries in this region still look to France for some level of support, British influence certainly suffered for a short period following Suez, however British forces were certainly regarded as useful in sustaining the regimes in the horn of Africa and elsewhere.

The British FCO has always has a pro-arabist pov, something the Israelis are happy to point out.

Certainly British policy in allowing the creation of the Muslim state of Pakisthan recieved support from the Muslim world, as did the sustaining of the Malaysian integrity from the chineese inspired communist upraising in the 1950's

As you see, glib statements to say X was thought well of by Muslims and Y wasn't is insufficient - and is typical of most of the simplistic analysis which takes place from the post colonial perspective.

Interestinly enough much of this stuff comes out of the white colonies, which recieved most of the investment support in establishing their economies and industries.

I wonder what the world would have looked like f the same level of British investment in the USA, Canada and Australia had been made in Africa ?


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eborr wrote:
that is a superficial analysis
Come on, how much detail do I need to go in on a thread like this? It's not like anyone's going to read it ;)
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I wonder what the world would have looked like f the same level of British investment in the USA, Canada and Australia had been made in Africa ?
So do I.

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eborr wrote:
that is a superficial analysis
Come on, how much detail do I need to go in on a thread like this? It's not like anyone's going to read it ;)
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I wonder what the world would have looked like f the same level of British investment in the USA, Canada and Australia had been made in Africa ?
So do I.
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How have the protests and riots been going?

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I searched the BBC website and didn't see anything immediately...I suppose the media is getting a bit tired of it. I did see this story though...a man is jailed for three years for denying the Holocaust. While the man is stupid, I find this pretty ironic. A European country is denying a man the right to free speech, yet they cry about their right to free speech regarding the cartoons. Not really fair, IMO.

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I did find some excellent news concerning the whole controversy (crap, I can never remember how that's spelled).

Egyptian Sandmonkey's blog

This guy was linked over in Manwe's cartoon thread. He's an Egyptian who railed against the boycotts and such. This guy rocks, and he's pretty funny.

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Dozens of Danish Muslims are joining the network of moderate Muslims, the Demokratiske Muslimer (Democratic Muslims). About 700 Muslims have already become DM members and 2,500 Danes have expressed their will to support the network. The initiative has caused anger among the Danish imams and their leader, Ahmad Abu Laban, who have referred to the moderates as “rats.â€

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TheEllipticalDisillusion wrote:
I did find some excellent news concerning the whole controversy (crap, I can never remember how that's spelled).

Egyptian Sandmonkey's blog

This guy was linked over in Manwe's cartoon thread. He's an Egyptian who railed against the boycotts and such. This guy rocks, and he's pretty funny.

From him:

Dozens of Danish Muslims are joining the network of moderate Muslims, the Demokratiske Muslimer (Democratic Muslims). About 700 Muslims have already become DM members and 2,500 Danes have expressed their will to support the network. The initiative has caused anger among the Danish imams and their leader, Ahmad Abu Laban, who have referred to the moderates as “rats.” The imams feel that they are beginning to lose their control over part of the Muslim population.
Emphasis added by me. Finally, we get to see what this is really about!!!!!!!

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thanks for that link .... pretty interesting reading ..... and the picture it paints is fairly depressing .... it seems our choices in the Middle East are literally the frying pan or the fire .... or we just get off the stove.

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Oh the link was from TED :oops: . I had seen it on TORC and it is some pretty interesting reading!!! I wish more of these moderate types were interviewed on television here in the west.

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The latest developments in Iraq, and the response from Iran,

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060223/D8FUPQAG0.html

How in the world does the USA ever "win" (whatever that may mean) in this type of environment? This whole thing seems doomed more each day.

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Well one would think that the US would remember Viet Nam, apparently not though.

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