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TheEllipticalDisillusion
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Actually, sf, it's 1 for Congress. I picked to win Congress.

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thanks for the clarification TED. ;)

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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. - John Rogers


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If everybody has had their two cents in on the last question.... a new one for you

Which would you opt for
1) the freedom to have kids as we do now with no restrictions. OR

2) safe brith control in all public water rendering everyone sterile... you would need a neturalizing shot from a medical doctor after a married couple is approved by government to have a child based on wanting it, being able to support it, and educating your self to raise it..... no more unwanted and abused kids ....... or at least a hell of a lot less

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The first, obviously. This isn't even a dilemna.


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I agree with the first. I don't like my government telling me what to watch or read, why would I want them telling me when I can or cannot have kids?

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That's not really the kind of question this thread had in mind. It should be The Issue of Reproductive Control vs Some other Issue.


I pick #1, obviously, as #2 is disturbingly Brave New World (almost literally out of that book, iirc).


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yovargas

okay -- help me rewrite it and I will change it so it fits the thread better

I will be glad to change it

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I'm trying to think of an issue on the same level of importance as Reproductive Control and can't at the moment. Anybody? Maybe freedom of religion?


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I'm trying to think of an issue on the same level of importance as Reproductive Control and can't at the moment. Anybody? Maybe freedom of religion?
I can't honestly come up with anything that compares, since all issues put into such repressive scenarios become complete anathema to me. Maybe we need a new pair of choices? Seriously, if SF's topic became an either/or situation, I would leave the country or go "underground."


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okay
somebody else come up with a completely new one

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How about reproduction rights or Amendments 5-8 (US Constitution Amendments)

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sauronsfinger wrote:
okay
somebody else come up with a completely new one
Not picking on you, but maybe we need to frame the choices on plausable possibilities?

As such, I will offer:

We get our way on WHAT should be taught in public schools regarding sex education, evolutionary theory, and mandatory testing standards that cover both pupils and staff, and whether federal mandates should be binding or not regarding educational processes.

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We get our way on WHAT role federal government should play in allowing for standard healthcare coverage and medical deductions for tax purposes.

Basically, education versus healthcare.


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Oh I like education or healthcare.

I'd pick education, cause if you were educated enough you could heal yourself and your family, provided of course you had the equipment. Run into the lab mix up a batch of anti-botics, run into the lab xray kids are set it and cast it.... :)

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That's kinda complicated. I like sex ed vs whether Intelligent Design gets into schools.


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yovargas wrote:
That's kinda complicated. I like sex ed vs whether Intelligent Design gets into schools.
Well, should we start with your more simple choice and then move up to my much more complicated one? :)


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Let's keep it imsple. Public education vs Public healthcare.

I vote education.

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That's too easy. Education for sure.


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Yeah, public education. Scrap the damn thing.

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I don't think the choices have to be simple per se. Broader choices might make people think more. Sex ed v ID is easy. Sex ed would win for me.

How about: benevolent dictatorship v. representative democracy

In the b.d. you would have a good leader, but no personal freedoms that are not already granted by the dictator. His status as benevolent is only as far as he isn't unjustly cruel to his citizens-- he still doesn't like criticism, wants his religion followed, you have to completely trust him.

In the r.d. (similar to America now) you'd have elections where pretty much anyone with enough money could run. You could get crappy leaders who drive the country to bankruptcy or wonderful leaders who make most people happy. Freedom of speech is unfettered, and so is freedom of religion (for example).

Good, bad?

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