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laureanna
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Posted: Sun 06 Feb , 2005 4:45 am
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Anybody doing anything for Lent? Ash Wednesday is coming up - February 9th.

I'm going to do what I did last year - give up TORC, except a little on Sundays. This year I'll stay away from other message boards, too. Much as I enjoy posting with you guys, it is taking over my life. Several hours a day of this is not healthy for me. (I'm not referring to posting at work, which I have even started to sneak in a little bit of. I'm concerned that I spend the few hours I have at home between end of work and bedtime on the boards.)

So if you don't see me around after Tuesday, you'll know why. Not that anyone ever notices me. :bawl: (just had to try that non-smily)

I find the whole Lenten austerity-for-6-weeks to be useful and have done it every year with one thing or another. It gives me the little extra incentive I need to change a habit I've been meaning to change. I'll let you know how it turns out.

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laureanna, I love your sig pic. I remember you saying in M00bies that the Meta-thread was the perfect project for you because your name meant someone who gathers things. That icon is beautiful.

What language group do the Tlingit belong to? Are they Inuit?

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I agree the picture is lovely! And although I had to wonder what 'Tlingit' meant until I read Jny's post, :oops: it doesn't change the nice feeling I get when I see people cherishing their heritage. Bravo.

Now, Lent. I hadn't thought about it yet.

Giving up TORC is not something I ever did for Lent and it would be useless to start now that I've distanced myself from it so much. I don't feel the need to go on every day. No sacrifice here.
I could give up B77 but as it's in its stage of growth that wouldn't be very fair for all the other people trying to work on making it better. Yes, that's a convenient excuse, but not untrue.

But you're very right, laureanna, about the 'little incentive'. I haven't had breakfast yet and I've already replied to 10 threads. This needs to change. Not by abandoning the internet for 40 days but by forcing myself to get organised. Time is being wasted- not on writing posts but on waiting from new post to new post- checking back, sitting idly, playing a game...there is ALWAYS something or someone to keep me online.

And there are so many other things I need to do. Not just immediate things like changing a lightbulb. Long-term things that will be hard to bring together closer to the deadline.

To work!

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I'm not religious, and therefore never observe Lent... but I really have to do something about my net habits. It is taking over my life, and right now I have too much work to be able to afford that. Last week I didn't do *any* work at all in 2 days (apart from very urgent stuff) while I concentrated on TORC and B77, and as a result now I have a huge backlog. Not healthy at all. :(

So although I'll be around, moving threads and letting people in, as well as posting occasionally, I'll try to slow down a bit.

Therefore giving Ro the perfect excuse to catch up and reach 1,000 first. :mrgreen:

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Don't think I wasn't in control all this while. It's my 'feigned lag then fell swoop' method.

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Jnyusa wrote:
laureanna, I love your sig pic. I remember you saying in M00bies that the Meta-thread was the perfect project for you because your name meant someone who gathers things. That icon is beautiful.

What language group do the Tlingit belong to? Are they Inuit?

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No, they are a tribe native to the coast of B.C. They carve totem poles, and have a rich and diverse culture.

I think Chief Dan George may have been Tlingit. He was nominated for an Oscar for his role in Little Big Man.


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Sunsilver wrote:
Jnyusa wrote:
What language group do the Tlingit belong to? Are they Inuit?

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No, they are a tribe native to the coast of B.C. They carve totem poles, and have a rich and diverse culture.

I think Chief Dan George may have been Tlingit. He was nominated for an Oscar for his role in Little Big Man.
There are some inland groups of Tlingit speakers that, culturally at least, resemble the Athabaskan tribes more than the coastal Tlingit - but yeah, language wise, not Inuit.

And just to clarify why I'm so like "Hey, I know some stuff!" - this is a tribe that I've learned about since I was in grade school, and is one of the reasons *why* I decided to study anthropology - simply a beautiful culture. So complex, so rich. Makes me just *WOW* every time I study it, look at it, hear mention of it, anything.... :P


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Just to clarify:

Tlingit Indians are from what is now the southeast "pan handle" of Alaska, from Yakutat to Ketchikan. We have a legend about coming from the interior out to the coast and settling there. We also have a legend about another group that went south and was never seen again. Not coincidently, the Tlingit language is related to Interior Athabascan (interior Alaska and British Columbia) and Navajo (the group that went south to New Mexico). Though Tlingit language is completely different than other northwest coastal languages, the art and architecture is very similar. The whole northwest coast - from southcentral Alaska to northern Oregon, traded extensively, made slaves of each other, and used a trade language called Chinook Jargon.

Chief Dan George was Coastal Salish Indian, near the northwest corner of Washington State, and part of the same artistic complex. Inuit is the name for Eskimos of northern Alaska, Canada, and Greenland. Eskimos/Inuits are not the same as American Indians - they came from Asia in a much later wave.

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Hi Laureanna -- I too immediately bonded with your beautiful picture, and THEN I saw your explanation and liked it even more! "Gathers-Together" -- what could be a nicer name than that?

I didn't grow up in a Lent-observing household, though I appreciate the idea of working through the darkness of Lent towards Easter (for me the slog through Mordor works pretty well as an image for this). This year has been very Lenten for me -- the last two months or so especially -- and I am trying to get back to finding hope, remembering how food tastes, the whole nine yards. Doing something to observe Lent would be redundant, seems to me!


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Alassante_Estel wrote:

And just to clarify why I'm so like "Hey, I know some stuff!" - this is a tribe that I've learned about since I was in grade school, and is one of the reasons *why* I decided to study anthropology - simply a beautiful culture. So complex, so rich. Makes me just *WOW* every time I study it, look at it, hear mention of it, anything.... :P
Hey there! I didn't realise we had so much in common. I also did my first degree in anthropology. Imagine that! :D :D
Regarding the Inuits, I was more of an Inupiat girl myself since they had a more egalitarian society. And the women used to go whale-hunting! Cool! :cool:


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Teremia - sorry to hear you have been in Mordor. I go there every winter. But Lent (which means "spring", by the way) is during the time when the light starts to come back, and there are hints of life. So it is a cautiously positive time for me. As for finding hope, sometimes I just have to say "I'm planning on having hope, some time soon" and leave it at that. {{{hugs}}}

Andri - Inupiats might be egalitarian, but Tlingits were matriarchial. And still are. At least some of us. :mrgreen:

Lidless - no silly, one of these:
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Athapasca - that's the Nadi language group ... I tend to think in language groups because they reveal the migration patterns ... [considers a short essay on economic geography, decides to prepare for the Superbowl instead] ... anyhoo ...

A friend of mine visited B.C a few years ago and brought me back a beautiful Haida woodprint. There's something so elegant about their artwork ... the designs are very simply geometrically but they have movement to them that's difficult to describe. I would swear that the face of the moon in my woodprint is not always looking in the same direction!

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woodcut? woodprint? one of those things where the picture is carved on wood and then stamped on paper

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Here's my teacher's site: David Boxley

He's Tsimshian, so his style has thinner lines and more movement than traditional Tlingit. But it's hard to say what is traditional Tlingit, because it turns out that whenever a chief wanted to celebrate in a big way, he'd hire a famous Tsimshian to do the artwork.

My favorite is Haida artist Robert Davidson.

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And just to clarify why I'm so like "Hey, I know some stuff!" - this is a tribe that I've learned about since I was in grade school, and is one of the reasons *why* I decided to study anthropology - simply a beautiful culture. So complex, so rich. Makes me just *WOW* every time I study it, look at it, hear mention of it, anything.... :P
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Your an anthropologist :Q Wow, I guess that explains Lidless though :LMAO:

And Andri too, fab. I covered a lot of anthropology in my first degree, I was specialising in shamanism as part of a religious study BA.

Personally, I am dreading lent. I work in the head office of the Church of England. The daily prayer sessions I inadvertantly walk in on will be enough, but the whole self sacrificing (I will give up chocolate, or coffee or pancakes etc) is so in your face.

I think its the e-mails inviting me to prayer sessions to help me keep of the thing I have sworn to give up.

I am not saying Nero was right, but sometimes I do wonder if he was wrong ;)

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I advise giving up self-indulgent denial, myself. But then I'm an Evil Pagan. : :devil:

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Sorry to hear that, Din, I hate intrusive Christians as much as the next person. po'ed

Just don't lump them all in the same basket. They oughtn't to flash their Lentent sacrifices about, but sometimes it does come up. When you offer someone chocolate and they say 'No thanks I gave it up for Lent', 99% of the time I bet they're just making conversation by giving an important bit of information about themselves. Like 'No thanks, I'm diabetic' or 'No thanks, I don't like chocolate.'

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I would think anyone who has been on TORC for a few years now knows something about anthropology.

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laureanna, thanks for those links. Fabulous. I can't steal more than a few minutes right now but I'm going to browse all those galleries this week.

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Hey Andri, would you be interested in starting a Q/A Anthro 101 thread with me?

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