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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan , 2009 9:14 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan , 2009 9:42 pm 
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Dave_LF wrote:
Dave, did you just compare people, such as myself, to Al Qaeda?


No. I think people who look around and decide they have no prospects are liable to turn to violence and religious extremism for lack of a better idea. I doubt this describes you. Al Qaeda, I believe, is an example of this happening in a huge way. I think you can find less extreme examples of the same psychology in the US, though that element hasn't done anything worse than bombing abortion clinics to date.


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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan , 2009 9:49 pm 
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You wouldn't be in that category of people anyway Freddy. It doesn't look to me like your involvement with guns or religion is to an unhealthy extent.

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan , 2009 10:17 pm 
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On the other hand, maybe what this board needs right now is a ROUSING discussion about guns and religion!

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Holy frak, woman, but you're evil.

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan , 2009 11:26 pm 
Dave_LF wrote:
Dave_LF wrote:
Dave, did you just compare people, such as myself, to Al Qaeda?


No. I think people who look around and decide they have no prospects are liable to turn to violence and religious extremism for lack of a better idea. I doubt this describes you. Al Qaeda, I believe, is an example of this happening in a huge way. I think you can find less extreme examples of the same psychology in the US, though that element hasn't done anything worse than bombing abortion clinics to date.


OK, agreed :D .


Nah, I may be over committed and sometimes think I should be committed but I'm not gonna go off the deep end......

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Thu 29 Jan , 2009 12:22 am 
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A married man with children should never be afraid of commitment.

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Thu 29 Jan , 2009 1:21 am 
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Religions don't kill, people do. :P

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Thu 29 Jan , 2009 1:50 am 
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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 07 Aug , 2009 5:08 pm 
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Not to beat a dead horse, but here is more evidence that Bush really did think his wars were part of an apocalyptic mission from God:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.ph ... aught_29_5

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Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse.
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Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”

This bizarre episode occurred while the White House was assembling its “coalition of the willing” to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush’s call and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.”


This was apparently in the French press in '07, but the English-speaking media missed it until now.


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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 07 Aug , 2009 7:13 pm 
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I mean, he might have been referring to Gog and Magog as a metaphor...but his quote that the "Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled" is a little frightening.


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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 07 Aug , 2009 7:15 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 07 Aug , 2009 9:23 pm 
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Well the Irish are, according to Irish legend, the descendants of Magog, so are we up for the chop too?

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 07 Aug , 2009 9:35 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug , 2009 7:55 pm 
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Bush may very well be considered the worst president ever, beating out even the likes of FDR, Wilson, and Nixon for that coveted title.

Some say that "worst president in US History" may be too grand a title for such an incurious, psychologically aberrant, ignorant, unintelligent, shallow, duplicitous, small-minded person, but looking at the other contendors for that title he does fit right in with those others I named.

Having finally finished his fourth year of his second term, I was finally able to rate his deficit spending. Yes, Bush Jr.'s second term was the most fiscally irresponsible of any presidential term in history with his Keynesian efforts to bail out the economy.

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug , 2009 10:59 pm 
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Absurd - foolish - ridiculous - no historical basis of any kind for a inane statement such as

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Bush may very well be considered the worst president ever, beating out even the likes of FDR, Wilson, and Nixon for that coveted title.


although this is a statement of complete idiocy, it is only the second worst thing CG has said today and pales next to the comment about guns and politicians.

If anyone wants to know what real historians and political scientists think about the ranking of US Presidents, go to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_us_presidents

13 surveys done over the last seven decades, even one by libertarians and conservatives, and all agreeing that Franklin Delano Roosevelt is one of the three US Presidents deserving of the ranking of GREAT.

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug , 2009 11:11 pm 
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If lewrockwell.com says it, it must be true, right?

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug , 2009 11:35 pm 
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Of course TED. Rockwell is better qualified then the previous 1,000 historians and political scientists in 13 different studies over many decades who studied the presidents and found FDR to be one of three GREAT Presidents. After all, Rockwell is a true believer and that counts for a whole lot more than education, knowledge, training, expertise or academic standing in the community of historians and political scientists. You see, he knows the secret handshake. And I hear tell that he once had coffee with the great Peter Schiff.... all bow low and humble yourselves at the mention of that name...... ooops ... sorry ... That Name.

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 21 Aug , 2009 2:09 am 
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FDR is generally on both the list of top presidents and the list of the worst. It pretty much depends on your political perspective. I happen to think he was great, but I'm quite a liberal-minded person.


I honestly don't see the point of ranking the best and worst presidents. Most presidents are a product of their circumstances to a large degree, and it's hard to tell whether they could have reasonably made different choices that had either much better or much worse effects. You can definitely lump presidents into broad categories of pretty good and pretty bad, though.


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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 21 Aug , 2009 2:17 am 
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Elfshadow - you are right that perspective is everything ... as it in in almost all things. Could you provide a link to a list which shows FDR to be among the worst? The wikipedia site shows 13 different authoritative studies of the presidency and FDR is rated very high on every single one of them including the one done by the Wall Street Journal that was commissioned by the conservative Federalist Society with libertarian assistance. I have never seen one study that rated FDR as anything but an outstanding president.

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 Post subject: Re: George W. Bush
PostPosted: Fri 21 Aug , 2009 3:13 am 
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What the heck is an authoritative moral opinion survey? I mean if it were a professinoal opinion survey there could be authoritative opinions but an authoritative moral opinion survey?

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