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Did he eat Jewish babies while doing it?

You realize that sf's position is simply the opposite of yours. He can state his case, while you can and did state yours. Is there a misunderstanding here?

I don't remember you having a deep discussion with anyone else about it while he was gone.

I am requesting that this thread get considered to be locked, or at least moved into the bikeracks. It is not productive at all.

he never made his case, TED. He only attacked me. He didn't even argue against my case. He dodged the issue and made ad hominem arguments every single post, or used other tactics to change the subject.

TW, there's no reason this thread should be locked or moved. You can ignore it if you don't like it.

I agree with the 'you can ignore it if you don't like it'. I ignore plenty of threads because I have no interest in them.

hal, I read the posts. sf stated his case, you stated yours.

halplm wrote:

You can ignore it if you don't like it.

You've got to be effing kidding me. You, out of all people, don't have much business advising others to ignore something they don't like as it's something you've refused to do even after loads of people have asked you to do so.

I think that the discussion in this thread is not infringing on other people's ability to post. If what hal is saying bothers someone else, don't bother opening this thread.

Erunáme wrote:

halplm wrote:

You can ignore it if you don't like it.

You've got to be effing kidding me. You, out of all people, don't have much business advising others to ignore something they don't like as it's something you've refused to do even after loads of people have asked you to do so.

It's the advice that is given to those who complain of abuse, so it's valid advice to return to those who think it solves everything.

Cenedril_Gildinaur wrote:

It's the advice that is given to those who complain of abuse,

No, it's not.

If one sees themselves as the perpetual victim who is misunderestood by the larger world to the point where they have to retreat into a world of their own construct, where the rules are different, reality is different, and how they percieve both themselves and everyone else is different... then there is very little anyone who does not subscribe to that mentality can do to change it.

The constant refrain becomes a variation of several continual complaints.....
-- you do not listen to me
-- you do not understand my point
-- you do not like me
-- you like so-and-so better
-- you are attacking me
-- you are being mean to me
-- you don't respect me or my opinion
-- you are trying to make me like you
-- you just don't accept me for who I really are

Notice that everything is the other persons fault. Its all the fault of the other person in their attitude, their perception, their motivations, their actions, and their approach. The individual who has this unique mindset of the perpetual victim stnds apart and above it all and has convinced themself that they are blameless, faultless and have done nothing wrong at all. Everyone is indeed out of step but them.

The more this is pointed out to such a perpetual victim, the more resistance grows and becomes like cement. In fact, criticism from others only serves to perpetuate the feeling of victimhood and the desire to retreat deeper into their own world where only they are understood by themself.

Persons who are more vocal in their criticism are singled out for obsessive opposition bordering on the unhealthy. They go on a list of persons to be despised and hated and opposed at all costs no matter how silly such vendettas make them look.

Of course, the worst transgression of them all is to point out the reality of this behavior. That puts you in a whole new category for derision and anger coming your way.

Victimhood is not healthy. Victimhood combined with obsession is even worse.

Erunáme wrote:

Cenedril_Gildinaur wrote:

It's the advice that is given to those who complain of abuse,

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. Read the advice given to those who make complaints about abuse.

If you are abused, you have three options. You the option of saying "rangers, look at this" at which point you are told to ignore the person. You have the option of confronting the abuser at which time you are creating a board disturbance. Or you can let the abuser spoil the board by dishing about abuse knowing he'll never get called on it.

You know what?
I'll make it painfully plain.
It takes at least two assholes to have a bitchfest.
Protip: Don't be one of the two assholes.

See Eru, Holbytla proved my point.

If one is abused, and responds by complaining to the rangers, the one abused is "one of the two assholes."

If one is abused, and responds by confronting the abuser, the one abused is "one of the two assholes."

The advice if you are subject to abuse is "don't do a thing."

Thank you Holby, your intervention was quite timely.

It usually takes two assholes to cause a bitchfest, though one person could be an asshole, and the other person, tired of hearing it, finally gives it back--hence the bitchfest.

A perpetual victim generally needs Miracle Grow. Sprinkle some on your loofa or washcloth each morning while you shower. In 5-7 days you should feel your skin thickening. This is the remedy to debating in a debate forum.

I was going to say something about victimhood and health risks, but sf put it perfectly. I live with a perpetual victim--man is she an annoying cunt.

CG, sometimes, like a baby bird, you need to simply fly instead of waiting for a wing.

Two Assholes would be a wonderful name for a professional wrestling tagteam who enjoy doubling up on a single opponent.

Hobly - you should submit that to the WWF.

WWF had a tag team like that in the late nineties--The Dudley Boys.

and if anyone cares to be serious ... I am happy to try to repair this rent in the Bike Racks.... or this silliness can go on to no good purpose.

TheEllipticalDisillusion wrote:

CG, sometimes, like a baby bird, you need to simply fly instead of waiting for a wing.

Simply flying resulted in a suspension.

Cenedril_Gildinaur wrote:

The advice if you are subject to abuse is "don't do a thing."

How about "don't do something that annoys everybody"?

yovargas wrote:

Cenedril_Gildinaur wrote:

The advice if you are subject to abuse is "don't do a thing."

How about "don't do something that annoys everybody"?

Other than "ignore it do nothing don't do a thing because if you do anything it will disrupt the board" do you recommend?