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Wolfgangbos
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Posted: Tue 16 Dec , 2008 1:14 pm
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http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/ ... eabuse.pdf

Lots of damning information in there, but this part struck me particularly.

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Conclusion 3: The use of techniques similar to those used in SERE resistance training – such as stripping students of their clothing, placing them in stress positions, putting hoods over their heads, and treating them like animals – was at odds with the commitment to humane treatment of detainees in U.S. custody. Using those techniques for interrogating detainees was also inconsistent with the goal of collecting accurate intelligence information, as the purpose of SERE resistance training is to increase the ability of U.S. personnel to resist abusive interrogations and the techniques used were based, in part, on Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to elicit false confessions
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Posted: Tue 16 Dec , 2008 6:57 pm
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WTF?

Who was in charge and what were they thinking???

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Wolfgangbos
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Posted: Tue 16 Dec , 2008 7:37 pm
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The conclusions section starting on page 16 is a good summary of those directly involved in these decisions being made.


What keeps throwing me for a loop is that these interrogation techniques were specifically designed to elicit false confessions. If the goal was to get accurate information, why in the hell would they choose techniques for which the specific purpose was the exact opposite?!?

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Posted: Tue 16 Dec , 2008 8:45 pm
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I presume that would be because there is a disconnect between those that know what these techniques are used for, and those who actually carry them out.

More from your link:
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Former Navy General Counsel Alberto Mora testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee in June 2008 that “there are serving U.S. flag-rank officers who maintain that the first and second identifiable causes of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq – as judged by their effectiveness in recruiting insurgent fighters into combat – are, respectively the symbols of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.”

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Posted: Tue 16 Dec , 2008 8:53 pm
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Wow.

I wonder what kind of mental and logical contortions are going to be applied to justify this.

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Not only are those techniques used to elicit false confessions, but our government tried arguing with itself, and to the people that these techniques were necessary to prevent imminent threats from becoming real tragedies. Anyone remember the Senator from Colorado (I believe) talking about how Jack Bauer from 24 would use these methods, and it worked? I think Cheney tries using an argument like that as well.

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Posted: Fri 19 Dec , 2008 7:08 pm
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/18/ ... php?page=1

Well that's one paper carrying the story. Hopefully we'll see it pick up a bit more steam.

And even after seeing this report, the Freepers are still trying to defend these techniques as necessary. Sometimes I cannot help but weep for humanity...

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Posted: Fri 19 Dec , 2008 9:29 pm
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NYT's carrying the same editorial.

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They're the same newspaper. The one I linked to is the international version of the NYT.

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