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Guruthostirn
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Ok, there's one problem for Lidless and Jny...those answers imply that I don't know I'm looking at the digital expression of a messageboard on my screen.

However, that's one thing I'm Fairly confident I Know I'm doing.

Like I said earlier, those examples are are using only one type of knowledge. There's more than one type, however. There's knowledge of reality and there is knowledge of experience. One extends from the other. There may be more. But the bit above doesn't work for experiential knowledge...because the experience is enough for that knowledge. That is, until you factor in time with it. Then your knowledge is based on other experiences, and any previous knowledge which is not supported by current experiences are only assumptions.

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Guruthostirn wrote:
Then your knowledge is based on other experiences, and any previous knowledge which is not supported by current experiences are only assumptions.
They are so now, but they weren't when you had them.

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Guru, I'm not sure I would classify my awareness of my own interior state as 'knowledge' ... certainly not, as you say, the same kind of knowledge that I acquire through my senses. My own self is something that I experience ... and in fact I am the only one who can experience it.

There is some overlap though in that once I've acquired knowledge, it becomes part of my intererior state and I know that I know something. I experience my knowledge of it, but again I am the only person who can experience that. No one else can know what it is that I know unless I impart my knowledge to them in a way that they can receive through their senses.

In fact you don't know that you are talking on a messageboard. :) You don't know that until someone answers your post ... makes their awareness of your internal state available back to you through your senses. And ... a certain class of 19th century philosophers would say that even then you don't know it because you have no way of confirming the existence of the person who responds to you except by your own senses which might be deceived.

I wouldn't like to take it that far - I'm too much a pragmatist - but I would say that the responses you receive only increase your confidence that if you continue posting on the messageboard you will continue to receive a response. So the world accessible to your senses behaves as if it were really out there whether it really is or not. Your experience is consistent and predictable ... like the experience of time and gravity, but there is no way to assign a certainty of existence to any of these things.

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Als u het leven te ernstig neemt, mist u de betekenis.
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What do we know for sure? How does Guru know he's looking at the computer screen.

I wanted to start a Solipsist Club, but nobody wanted to join.

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I wanted to start a tautology club but people kept telling me there already was one. :scratch

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I wanted to join the Klu Klux Klan, but they said I had a brain.

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Prove it! :P

That one was just ASKING for trouble, Steve! :LMAO: :LMAO:


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So, are the only people invited to discuss this those who know what the title is about without any further info?

Never heard that term "Gettier problem".

Might be a good idea to offer some abstract of what you're talking about when starting a thread, I should think.

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psst! TH, I had to google it. I'm familiar with knowledge problems in general but didn't know the details of this one until I read up on it. Here's a link.

http://www.princeton.edu/~jimpryor/cour ... ttier.html

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Anyone ever worked out how multiperson solipsism can exist?

We might need that club, Lidless.

Ahh, that's a better description of the problem...and in fact, gets away from my objection... :(

However...hmm...I think in the cases the "justification" could be attacked...since in the example first provided, the justification is just an assumption...he didn't Hear the person say he has a Ford, just believes he has a Ford...which may bring my point back into effect...

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