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Eruname
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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:18 pm
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I'd wager the only reason you've brought your bile here
Because, of course, your posts are 100% bile-free and never stoop to personal insults....
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:LMAO: Have a fun time trying to convince people that I'm a nasty poster. I'm careful not to personally attack but attack the argument, so good luck with that. :cheers:
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The type of posting you do that gets you banned at HoF won't be welcome here either.
You mean, left-wing mods?
It has absolutey nothing to do with one's political leanings. We have conservatives here like Lalaith or Freddy and everyone can discuss with them just fine. It's the way you post. No one wants that kind of posting here.

Your avatar is insulting and honestly I wish the mods would remove it as more than a few people have a problem with it.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:20 pm
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Eru, is that a formal request? :)

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:24 pm
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Your avatar is insulting as it appears you're comparing Obama with Hilter
Oh, there's some situational irony! Considering that on one thread most people have been trying to oppose my equation of Nazism with Communism- and here you take an iconic USSR image and call it "Hitler!"

Could you please explain this 'problem' people are having with my avatar? To my knowledge you're the only one who has mentioned it. At least publicly.

Does anyone disagree that Obama's program is to move America hard to the Left?

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:30 pm
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The reference went sailing over my head but I guessed it was making some ideological point. It doesn't offend me. It characterises solictr more than it does Obama.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:30 pm
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Yes. :suspicious: Socialism; America - it wouldn't fly.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:49 pm
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Well the evil spectre of SOCIALISM was trotted out repeatedly by McCain and Palin and their supporters during the recent US presidential campaign and it fell flat and failed to strike a chord with the American voters. It could be that the boogey man of socialism and communism are simply no longer scary. The concepts and the evils that the Right attaches to both simply are not real to many of todays voters, especially those who came of age after the fall of communism in the Soviet Union.

The Right may have to find new boogeymen to scare the voters to their side.

Look at what scares people in movies. In the 20's and 30's it was the monsters like Dracula, Wolf Man, Mummy and Frankensteins Monster. In the 40's the Nazi's became the monsters and the previous monsters were now in Abbott and Costello movies. In the Fifties, runaway science became the makers of the monsters with giant lizards, spiders, ants and even women run amok by scientific blunders and overreaching. For the last thirty years its been slasher flicks with phycho's and mental cases.

The Right is still trying to sell us the villians of the Fifties and Sixties when most people have moved on to other things. To most people today, Wall Street greed is a bigger villian than any socialist program. Of course, that really puts the Republicans in a bind doesn't it?

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:49 pm
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Socialism; anywhere. It doesn't fly.

But they keep trying it anyway.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:50 pm
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see what I mean :D

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Pippin4242
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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 4:55 pm
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Don't mind me, I'm just filled with love for the system right now since I can actually breathe through my nose today thanks to the good ole' NHS fixing a congenital defect I had. Signed in at 8am, conscious again by 10am, and out and about with all the painkillers and aftercare products I could fit in a paper bag by 1pm.
The nurses were filled with concern and brought me all the yoghurt I could eat. :D

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 5:02 pm
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Gee, sauronsfinger, still trotting out "We won! Neeener-neener-neener" as an argument. But of course your concept of 'democracy' has always been of the "torches-and-pitchforks-mob" sort anyway.

Tell me, can 53% of the electorate make 2+2=5? Even if all 53% actually thought they were voting for socialism, that doesn't make it any less a bogus system than it always was.

Incidentally, I don't recall you ever arguing that GWB was always right because he won two elections.

A substantial chunk of the electorate refused to believe Obama was a Red. Serious buyer's remorse now, though. I invite you to look at last week's Gallup on the issues.

This isn't a matter of bogeymen, silly goose. It's merely pointing out that the policies Obama is pursuing are disastrously wrong. (Although his foreign policy is looking a lot like Jimmy Carter's- now *there's* a goblin to make strong men blench!)

By the way, what makes you think Wall Street is Republican? :scratch: Take another look at AIG's campaign largesse.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 5:03 pm
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Pippin:

I do hope it wasn't at Staffordshire. ;)

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 5:23 pm
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it really must gall you each and every day to wake up knowing that Barack Obama is President of your country and your own state voted for him. Your anger comes across loud and clear.

You miss the point of my last post.... (and not for the first time).... about the election. It is not that Obama won or my candidate won. It is that the boogeyman of Socialism did not scare people into voting against their own economic self interest. I would advise you and the other allies you look to on the Right to get yourself a different boogeyman. But then, I am quite happy with the results you are getting from this one so why bother?

Electoral politics is a matter of winning elections - as distasteful as that may seem to you in a nation where we let lots of people vote who you would not rather have vote. I remember well your posts from HoF in which you rant about that subject. But like it or not that is the system we have. And the tactics of Joseph McCarthy and his idealogical heirs are now falling upon deaf ears. The days of Carl Rove as the evil genius of politics are over.

Its not morning in America anymore.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 5:42 pm
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scare people into voting against their own economic self interest
No, it's that the constructed boogeyman of Evil George W. Chimpy McBushitler scared people into voting against their economic self-interest.

But you, who know precisely nothing about economics, cling to your class-hatred belief that the American people would actually be helped, not harmed, by Obama's leftist policies.

Do wake up, SF. Study economics. Right now, all you know is "Workers good. Employers bad."
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The days of Carl Rove as the evil genius of politics are over.
Yep, we're now in the days of David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel as the evil geniuses of politics. (And George Soros behind the curtain).
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it really must gall you each and every day to wake up knowing that Barack Obama is President of your country and your own state voted for him. Your anger comes across loud and clear.
You betcha. Because I love this country and hate to see it ruined. Whereas you are joyously dancing on the rubble.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 6:04 pm
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You need to throw a wink after the 'you betcha'.

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 6:22 pm
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Ara-anna --- a whole line of dancing winks in revealing tu-tus would not help. ;)

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 6:35 pm
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I do hope it wasn't at Staffordshire. ;)
Not that I'm trying to rain on your attempt at lightheartedness, but I'm not sure I get the reference here. :scratch:

Was it Staffordshire where those six adults with learning difficulties died when they needn't have?

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Posted: Tue 24 Mar , 2009 7:33 pm
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The Healthcare Commission, the NHS standards watchdog, said that evidence suggested that as many as 400 deaths at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust could have been prevented and may have been the result of poor care.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... tr=2015164" target="_blank" target="_blank
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Appalling standards of care have been exposed at Mid-Staffordshire Hospitals trust, where between 400 and 1,200 more patients died than would be expected in just three years, according to a damning report by the Healthcare Commission.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... ssion.html" target="_blank" target="_blank
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Brown apologises for unacceptable failings at Stafford 'Third World' hospital

A damning report form the Healthcare Commission yesterday detailed a catalogue of failings at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust, which runs Stafford and Cannock Chase hospitals.

Dehydrated patients were forced to drink out of flower vases, while others were left in soiled linen on filthy wards.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... pital.html" target="_blank" target="_blank

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I know it was appaling, but I really think that was a 'target-setting sucks', not a 'socialist policies suck' situation - how many more people must die in the US every year because they don't want to pay until things get really bad?

ETA, Lord knows you were right about the case, but please don't post links to the Daily Mail if it can possibly be avoided. It's... not exactly reliable.

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Posted: Wed 25 Mar , 2009 12:30 am
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solictr's avatar does indeed say more about solictr than it could possibly say about Mr. Obama. One fights with the weapons one has, you see, and some of us are better armed than others.

This is part of Nature's grand plan, and one is quite happy to see it in operation.

Only in the USA and only in some "minds" in the USA could Mr. Obama be characterized as "leftist". This is another example of Nature's grand plan at work: providing the healthy recreation that human beings need. Everyone needs someone to laugh at, and if solictr feels the need to take the job on, who are we to argue? Laughter is good for you! Especially if you can laugh at yourself.

What goes around, comes around. This is about as 'spiritual" as I am ever going to get. solictr will get from life what he deserves, even if the part of "life" we see is only on our poor little messageboard. Comforting, that is. :D

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Posted: Wed 25 Mar , 2009 12:48 am
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Alatar wrote:
Or we could ban all the arseholes!

Please note that I have not called anyone an arsehole, nor have I implied that any particular posters are arseholes, but if said hypothetical arseholes were banned, we might have a pleasant place to post!

Incidentally, if you feel I'm targeting you by mentioning hypthetical arseholeness, you might be right. Hypothetically.
Hey, I'm with you, Alatar. That is such an excellent idea!!!!

I jest. Well, no, not entirely. As a Ranger with the power to do so, I have to be, you know, all politically correct and cool and not let my personal feelings get the better of me.

Your hypothetical poster. :D Let's say he is, first of all, a "he". Let us further imagine that he is boring, smug, arrogant, boring, conceited, boring, posts tedious uninteresting twaddle, believes himself to be a wit, believes himself to be clear-sighted to a very high degree and has, besides, a very high opinion of his superiority, intellect, education, and general shininess. And is a bore. Is this the sort of poster you would characterize as an "arsehole", Alatar? I suspect it might be. Shall we go further with our imaginary poster? He's mean and hateful, spiteful as a little girl in about grade 5, snotty, with appalling manners, barges in where he's not wanted, thinks he's hot stuff . . . . am I going down the right road here? He is also a snob. A real, dyed-in-the-wool snob of the worst sort. He fancies himself in so many laughable ways and thinks we are all secretly smitten with his wonderfulness. I bet I'm getting closer, right? He's what we call a scaredy-cat. Like an old lady afraid of boggles under the bed - only not all old ladies are like that; I'm not and I'm an old lady and all. I'm not a scaredy-cat, either. I don't see the world as full of nasty enemies out to destroy me.

I agree, Alatar, that an arsehole like that is not welcome here. But even arseholes have to actually break some rules. I'm watching.

I am a Watchbird, and, if the arsehole is here: I'm watching YOU. ;)

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