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Posted: Mon 06 Apr , 2009 12:42 pm
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Were they just the rantings of a small group one could follow Freddy's and elsha's advice
Yep. If the last decade taught us anything at all, it's that you can't just ignore the crazy people.


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Posted: Mon 06 Apr , 2009 2:01 pm
 
 
So, simply because someone holds a different view than the liberals or democrats, they are crazy? Unbelievable. I thought the liberal view was the one that accepted everyone for who they are.

It's freedom of speech and people are permitted to express their view points as long as they are not threatening another or slanderous. At least it is a PRIVATE company paying for this and not one receiving PUBLIC money. Of course there is movement in the government to restrict this freedom.


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Feredir wrote:
So, simply because someone holds a different view than the liberals or democrats, they are crazy? Unbelievable.
Never said that, Freddy.
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It's freedom of speech and people are permitted to express their view points as long as they are not threatening another or slanderous.
Yes, even crazy people have the right of crazy free speech, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be vigorously opposed by sane free speech.


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Posted: Mon 06 Apr , 2009 2:45 pm
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My opinion on FOX News is this. If Rupert could make more money spouting liberal ideals, his formatting would change in a heart beat. Make no mistake, Fox isn't about right or left, its about money.

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And the reason Murdoch can make money is because of the increasingly niche quality of our culture. In the good old days of the big 3 networks, you could only make money by finding the largest possible audience. You did that by aiming at the middle where most people are. But today we have 100, 200 or more stations available to many people. Today, a cable channel only needs a small audience to make money. So Murdoch does what every other cable mogul does and find a particular niche audience, give them what they want to keep them happy and he makes money. It does not matter if Bill O'Reilly is ignored by over 95% of the people watching TV. He gets 2 million plus viewers every night and that brings home the bacon. The evening programming on MSNBC does the opposite by appealing to the other end of the political spectrum and they are happy with that audience.

Of course, such trends have very serious down sides when you begin to discuss American culture, but thats a whole different issue.

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Ara-anna wrote:
My opinion on FOX News is this. If Rupert could make more money spouting liberal ideals, his formatting would change in a heart beat. Make no mistake, Fox isn't about right or left, its about money.
Absolutely spot-on. It is worth while to check out some of his media outlets in other parts of the world.

sauronsfinger, good post.

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That's probably true of Murdoch himself, but all or nearly all the people who actually manage and star in Fox News are truebelievers, as far as I can tell.


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Dave_LF wrote:
That's probably true of Murdoch himself, but all or nearly all the people who actually manage and star in Fox News are truebelievers, as far as I can tell.
Let us imagine a staff meeting at which they are told the owner wants to "change sides". I wonder how many of them would stand up and say, "I will not compromise on my principles!" and leave?

I guess it's possible.

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I imagine some fraction of the executives wouldn't care a whit, but the talking heads and spin doctors would certainly walk out the door on their own, assuming they weren't simply shown it.


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Holding a viewpoint opposite of the Liberal or Democratic view isn't itself crazy, but many of the views expressed from Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc are crazy. No one should be prevented from calling a crazy viewpoint crazy regardless of whether it is Liberal or Conservative.

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I guess I am more cynical than most. I think a good deal of spin doctors and talking heads would switch sides for a bigger paycheck. But that's not just Fox network either.

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Ara-anna wrote:
I guess I am more cynical than most. I think a good deal of spin doctors and talking heads would switch sides for a bigger paycheck. But that's not just Fox network either.
I agree, obviously! These people are "stars". Their livelihood depends on viewership, and the owners of the networks will shift accordingly. If "liberal" ideas sell, then it's liberal ideas they'll sell. The rightwing nutbars are small in number but very vocal - only it's numbers that count in the end.

Like, for instance, TV shows that appeal mostly to people over 40. They outnumber nearly everyone else, but the networks and movie makers, etc., know who does the most "discretionary" spending and it's that demographic that drives the market. Over 40? You're a past number. You buy denture glue and Viagra, not I-Pods and such.

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Over 40? You're a past number. You buy denture glue and Viagra, not I-Pods and such.
Unless you're the Queen of England, of course.

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Vison is right about the demographics and age. A few years ago, the top rated program on CBS was a Dick Van Dyke detective show. But research indicated that the audience skewed well over 50. The rates they could charge for commercials on that show were significantly less than far less polular shows but with a younger audience. Reason: younger people are far more open to advertising on newer products. Older people get set in their ways and are not swayed as much by "whats new", "whats hot" or "whats happening". If we have used the same deodorant or toothpaste for twenty years, chances are we are not going to change it because the Jonas Brothers tell us to.

Just watch any of the three network nightly news broadcasts. Almost every single commercial sponsor is a drug company pushing drugs to people over 50. Since we have not used them previously, we have no brand loyalty to fight. Its a perfect match.

And while we are on the subject, can anyone explain the Cyalis (sp??) commercials to me where they show two people in different bathtubs in the middle of a field? Whats that about? Amzingly stupid. I can see two folks in a hottub --- that is romantic ... but individual clawfoot tubs in the middle of a field?!?!?!?! Gimme a break.

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Ara-anna wrote:
I guess I am more cynical than most. I think a good deal of spin doctors and talking heads would switch sides for a bigger paycheck. But that's not just Fox network either.
Really? You think Sean Hannity, for example, would would become a spokesman for veganism and political correctness if he thought there was more money in it (and anyone would believe him)? I'm not so sure.


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Sean Hannity was exactly who I was thinking about.

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It would be interesting to see if somebody like Hannity or Beck could pull off a conversion to liberalism. I think some of the lesser known talking heads could do it with more conviction.

It would be clever to have Hannity just vanish from the network for two or three months and then reappear claiming some great event happened in his life and now he has done a 180. I wonder if anyone would buy it? It would be fun... for a while.

Beck is such an emotional train wreck that it would just be seen as another piece of evidence to this complete emotional and mental breakdown. I notice on liberal talk radio some callers are calling him Glenda since he is crying so much on cue.

If I "converted" here to libertarianism here would anyone believe it?

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I have no idea why Beck is on any broadcast anywhere. As I said he's a fruity loop. I feel sorry for him most of the time, living in so much fear and anger must make life a pure hell for him.

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maybe it was the botched butt surgery?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/0 ... 80800.html" target="_blank" target="_blank

I suspect that would make me really cranky all the time.

Here is the latest from Beck in which he defends folks like himself.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.co ... st-is.html" target="_blank

Somebody should honestly inform Beck that folks like Jon Stewart can go all over the top and be clever and cute about it and its entertaining. Colbert also. When Beck tries to act smug and clever and cute he simply looks like he put on the costume of Super Dork and is the uncoolest kid in class. You just want to bitchslap him as hard as humanly possible and if you break your hand consider it a small price to pay.

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