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Post subject: Souter retires - Sonia Sotomayor is selection
Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 11:39 am
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/30/ ... index.html" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Supreme Court Justice David Souter is nowhere near the oldest Justice on the court, in fact five are senior to him. However, Souter does not like Washington DC and years to return to his native New England. Early speculation is on a woman to replace him. Since Souter normally votes with the liberal bloc there is expected to be no change in Court philosophy.

Speculation has Sonia Sotamayor as one possible leader right now. Here is more on that

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of ... court_pick" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

If President Obama picks Sotamayor, it could further cement his support among both women and Hispanics, two groups already strong for Obama.

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Post subject: Re: Justice David Souter to retire
Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 1:33 pm
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Ah, now it is time for Obama to enact his evil, socialist agenda. One justice down, eight more to go.

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Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 2:22 pm
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Except Souter was already fairly liberal. I would bet the replacement is a woman of minority.

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Post subject: Re: Justice David Souter to retire
Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 2:59 pm
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Word is that the first choice of President Obama is Al Franken of Minnesota. But Rahm Emanuel informed the President that he probably would not actually be seated on the Court until well into his second presidential term.

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Post subject: Re: Justice David Souter to retire
Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 4:07 pm
 
 
Franken? You have got to be kidding me, I surely hope that was a joke.


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Post subject: Re: Justice David Souter to retire
Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 4:19 pm
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This is unrelated to Souter but it concerns Clarence Thomas and I thought it was illustrative:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/fordham_ ... is_steamed" target="_blank

Justice Thomas has been opposed to strengthening privacy laws on the internet. But apparently he wasn't amused when a law professor assigned his class to collect all the personal information they could about Justice Thomas on the internet (for their own private use; the info wasn't posted). One standard for him, but it's ok if it's anyone else? :P


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Post subject: Re: Justice David Souter to retire
Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 4:24 pm
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Howsabout Harriet Meirs? :devil:

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Vison - Harriet Miers is now a registered agent for Pakistan.

A joke Freddy?!?!?!?!?! ;)

I think putting Franken on the Court would be a great idea. He could serve four years and then jump over to the Senate when Coleman finally exhausts all his appeals for the November 08 election.

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Posted: Fri 01 May , 2009 10:11 pm
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I read a news report that one of Obama's top choices as a replacement for Souter is the reanimated body of V.I. Lenin. If I recall correctly, Obama said something to the effect of, "if you're going to trying bring about the fall of capitalism, seating the mack daddy of communism is a great start."

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whatsamatta - they could not bring back Karl Marx?

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I love the minority tango going on with the talk of this nomination. Whatever happened to "content of character" instead of "color of skin"? It's all about pleasing the people with the right skin color and pleasing some who judge people only by what reproductive organs they were born with.

It's good that the bastard is retiring though. He should have been impeached at the least or tried for treason at best after Kelo v. New London. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

According to ABC news, Obama may be interested in picking someone who has never even been a judge. Back under Bush when the name "Janice Rogers Brown" was brought up some said that she was completely unqualified because she hadn't been a judge long enough. Actually the "hadn't been a judge long enough" was dropped when mentioned on this board to make it appear that the only objection for the experts was that she wasn't qualified at all even though the experts said that she was qualified in every way except for experience. I wonder if those who insisted that Brown was completely unqualified due to insufficient experience would say to an Obama pick with no experience...

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Post subject: Re: Justice David Souter to retire
Posted: Sat 02 May , 2009 12:33 am
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:scratch: :scratch:

We happen to live in a pluralistic society made up of different groups of people. The sad thing is that for all but the last few ticks upon the historical clock, nominees were indeed chosen because of ...... how did you put it..... their reproductive organs and their skin color. That was the rule for nearly 200 years.

Half the people in this country are female. I do not think it is such a sin against the Consitution and our democratic republic to publicly remind the folks who make these decisions that only 1/9 of the current Court is female. Hispanics are nearly a fifth of the population and they have NEVER had a justice on the court.

One can play ostrich and hide their head in the sand and want to pretend that such issues are beyond the pale but the fact is that white men in this country have had things pretty much exclusively to themselves for most of our history. Its about time it changed. Making the Supreme Court more reflective of our population is a good thing as long as the people selected are qualified. Every name I have seen so far today certainy is.

It sicken me at the hypocrisy of the feigned outrage of those who benefitted hugely from the days of white male entitlement to now hear them pretend to love the adoption of a new scale which supposedly ingores race and gender.

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I've never advocated any but a color blind and gender blind standard. The insinuation that I haven't is borderline defamation. What is sickening is how a party that once allegedly stood for a color blind and gender blind standard now consider color and gender to be primary qualifications. There should be outrage over that, but there isn't. The hypocrisy is nauseating. The only thing more nauseating is how those who are indulging in this hypocrisy are completely and utterly blind to it.

But at least that sleaze Souter is retiring.

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Posted: Sat 02 May , 2009 1:43 am
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According to ABC news, Obama may be interested in picking someone who has never even been a judge. Back under Bush when the name "Janice Rogers Brown" was brought up some said that she was completely unqualified because she hadn't been a judge long enough. Actually the "hadn't been a judge long enough" was dropped when mentioned on this board to make it appear that the only objection for the experts was that she wasn't qualified at all even though the experts said that she was qualified in every way except for experience. I wonder if those who insisted that Brown was completely unqualified due to insufficient experience would say to an Obama pick with no experience...
Of course the hypocrites will come out in droves just so you, the mighty logician, can slice them from neck to naval with your mighty straw sword.

I'm sure Obama's picks will face the same scrutiny that Bush's picks did. I don't see it as a problem that Obama is leaning towards minorities since he is one--Mr. Bush leaned towards middle-age white men, presumably because he is one.

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Posted: Sat 02 May , 2009 1:49 am
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Well said TED. Excellent point.

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I've never advocated any but a color blind and gender blind standard. The insinuation that I haven't is borderline defamation. What is sickening is how a party that once allegedly stood for a color blind and gender blind standard now consider color and gender to be primary qualifications.
This is not about you as an individual. It never has been. Where do you get off claiming that the new primary standard is color and gender? The standard is excellence of qualifications and temperment to be on the Court. Why don't you wait until we actualy have a nominee before you go screaming about this entire issue?

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Err...isn't Brown a colour? Shouldn't judges be picked by their character and not their surname?

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Good point, Lidless. I am throwing in my support for Maurice Bernard Abortion. He's the kind of judge that you know where he stands.

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sauronsfinger wrote:
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I've never advocated any but a color blind and gender blind standard. The insinuation that I haven't is borderline defamation. What is sickening is how a party that once allegedly stood for a color blind and gender blind standard now consider color and gender to be primary qualifications.
This is not about you as an individual. It never has been.
Then quit insinuating otherwise.

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Here is a good article from todays NY TImes regarding the choices President Obama has:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/us/02 ... odayspaper" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

The article has lots of very good information about women in the profession of law and how women have changed the legal profession through their numbers.

There is also a very good article from Jonathon Martin at Politico which discusses the political ramifications of a Supreme Court selection:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22010.html" target="_blank" target="_blank

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With David Souter’s surprising decision to retire, President Obama now faces the risk of antagonizing multiple power centers within the Democratic party – but he also has the chance to put his imprint on the court, further hone his image in the minds of the public and bind wayward Democrats closer to him.
Martins article is well worth reading.


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Then quit insinuating otherwise.
Before you attempt to tell me what to do it would be a good first step for you to clearly demonstrate that I did what you are accusing me of.

An exact quote of my words about you would be nice. Not a rephrasing. Not an interpretation. Not a reframing. Not a parsing of language. Just a simple quoting of my exact words about you is all it would take.

Almost always in the past when you claim that I or anyone else has insinuated something terrible about you its all in your own mind. Thats fine because its your own mind. But just do not make a wild jump from A to Z without touching all the letters in between if you are going to start telling others what to do. I think that is reasonable.

Please lets keep this thread on its subject matter.

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sf wrote:
Before you attempt to tell me what to do it would be a good first step for you to clearly demonstrate that I did what you are accusing me of.
Since you want proof that you are bordering on defamation, why not.
CG wrote:
I love the minority tango going on with the talk of this nomination. Whatever happened to "content of character" instead of "color of skin"? It's all about pleasing the people with the right skin color and pleasing some who judge people only by what reproductive organs they were born with.
sf wrote:
We happen to live in a pluralistic society made up of different groups of people. The sad thing is that for all but the last few ticks upon the historical clock, nominees were indeed chosen because of ...... how did you put it..... their reproductive organs and their skin color. That was the rule for nearly 200 years.

...

It sicken me at the hypocrisy of the feigned outrage of those who benefitted hugely from the days of white male entitlement to now hear them pretend to love the adoption of a new scale which supposedly ingores race and gender.
While you later "backtracked" and said it wasn't me personally but me generally, there you have it in YOUR words. YOU said that my "recent" concern for character instead of skin color was a sickening hypocrisy.

You said that my preference for character instead of which minority group checkboxk is filled in was hypocristy of feigned outrage. So go ahead and make the final accusation. But do it outright. No more accusation by implication. Do it out in the open where everyone can see it.

I bet you won't.

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