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jewelsong
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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 4:57 pm
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I do want to point out that even women that have abortions because they choose not have a child are not automatically some sort of repulsive evil creature. As jewelsong pointed out usually anyone that has an abortion only makes that choice after agoinizing over it....
Indeed. Again, I know a number of women who are really, really opposed to abortion - who have had one themselves, or who have taken a member of their immediate family to have one. (I also know a couple who were certain that if they became unexpectedly pregnant, they would immediately seek an abortion - who didn't!)

It's all very well to talk (maybe condescendingly?) about women who have an abortion because they "just don't want a baby" - as if not wanting a baby (for whatever reason) isn't the primary reason for having a first trimester abortion. And to imagine that you, yourself, would never, under any circumstances, do such a thing.

Point is - you don't know what you would do. You really, really don't. You think you know. You know how you feel now. You know what you'd like to believe you would do. But...it's different when it's YOUR abortion.

There was an article a few years back (I think in the New Yorker) about abortion clinic workers and doctors and how they deal with the people on the picket lines. One thing almost all the clinics said is that it was not unknown or even that uncommon for one of the "regular picketers" to come into the very same clinic for an abortion. When asked why, the patient (or the patient's mother) always claimed that this particular circumstance was exceptional. Next day, they'd be back on the picket line.

It's different when it's you. It's different when it's YOUR abortion.

And when it comes to late-term abortions, I agree with Elli...we should MYOB. What these women go through is horrible and not for ANY of us to judge.


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Riverthalos
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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 6:06 pm
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Ellie, that story made me choke up. Actually, any story about having to choose, no matter which way the mother goes, makes me choke up. I'm not sure anyone is ever truly ready to have children, but there are certainly times when it's less optimal than others and to be faced with that...yikes.

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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 6:29 pm
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I feel like I'm killing a baby chicken every time I crack an egg. :( It was especially bad this year right after all the chicks in the incubator had just hatched and there was a pail full of shells ready to be thrown out sitting on the counter, and I wanted scrambled eggs for breakfast. I cracked the eggs and threw the shells into the same container as the shells that had just hatched cute little baby birdies.

It was a moment of cognitive dissonance for me. Shells-----> babies, shells------> breakfast. What was I doing????? :Q :neutral: :bawl:

Then I shrugged it off :salmon: , and went back to fixing breakfast.

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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 6:35 pm
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I thought chickens just lay eggs, whether they're fertilized or not. :scratch:

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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 7:06 pm
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We have roosters. The eggs ARE fertile. The eggs I hatched in the incubator were the same sort of eggs I was cooking for breakfast that day. If I wanted to, I could run every egg my chickens lay through the incubator and about half of them would hatch. I'd then have a jillion chickens to take care of. :help:

Not practical. So, I told myself I was being stupid.

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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 7:23 pm
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That's actually pretty applicable...


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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 9:43 pm
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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 10:53 pm
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Murder is murder, be it in you opinion an abortion doctor who provides abortion. Or in this case the man is a murderer and to do it in a church is beyond horrid.
I agree it's beyond horrid and he's a murder. What I'm trying to say is why do you think he choose a place of worship to make a statement? Think...

I never posted an opinion, btw. (Don't let my posts from the other thread cloud your judgement.) I just want you guys to think why he choose a church, when he can do it anywhere. That explains why it is the perfect venue for people like him to make a statement.

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Posted: Tue 02 Jun , 2009 11:04 pm
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By desecrating a place of worship??

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Posted: Wed 03 Jun , 2009 3:43 am
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I had a long entry typed up, and then lost it. I'll try to re-post it tomorrow.

In the meantime, I do want to correct something I said the other day. Evidently, Obama does not support a mental health exception for late-term abortions.

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Posted: Wed 03 Jun , 2009 5:03 am
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LalaithUrwen wrote:
Obama does not support a mental health exception for late-term abortions.
Lali, thanks for correcting this. Abortion can be such an emotionally-charged issue and misinformation from both sides can make it even more polarizing.

I think, from everything I have read, that late-term abortion is a (thankfully) very rare procedure and in the vast majority of cases, is done after a long and agonizing journey on the part of the woman. NO responsible doctor would ever perform a late-term abortion simply because the woman suddenly decided she didn't want to be pregnant anymore! There are very, very strict restrictions in place in all 50 states.


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Riverthalos
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Posted: Wed 03 Jun , 2009 5:19 am
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Yeah, actually, in the article I linked the woman's doctors had to seek permission from the OK state medical board to terminate her pregnancy after it was determined the baby had anencephaly. She was denied; for some reason the state of Oklahoma decided she should either wait for a stillbirth or a baby that would be born with a beating heart but no consciousness and a life expectancy measured in hours. She ended up going to another state to have the procedure done.

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Posted: Wed 03 Jun , 2009 6:23 pm
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A pro-life assassin, huh? A numbers game, methinks.

Someone once said that the definition of a hero is someone who is prepared to burn their principles for the Greater Good.

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Posted: Thu 04 Jun , 2009 9:25 pm
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Interesting reading.



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=5168163" target="_blank

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LalaithUrwen
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Posted: Thu 04 Jun , 2009 9:50 pm
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It was.

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Posted: Thu 04 Jun , 2009 10:24 pm
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I'm going to open a drive-thru abortion clinic/church of satan/brothel. You can fuck them, abort them, then sacrafice them to the one true lord.

The article was interesting, but the problem is that most people don't want to hear the nuanced issues of abortion. The media has no interest in presenting both sides in an honest fashion because the American public craves controversy, and drama. They are looking for their media-jesus to proclaim from beyond the tube what shall, and what shall not. In the interim, clinics will continue to be bombed, and doctors killed all in the name of "right-to-life."

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LalaithUrwen
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Posted: Thu 04 Jun , 2009 10:26 pm
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Sure, and babies will continue to be killed all in the name of pro-choice.

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Posted: Thu 04 Jun , 2009 10:29 pm
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I don't know of any "pro-choice" people who have bombed clinics. But let's not get hung up on these silly terms like pro-choice, and pro-life; it is for, or against abortion, nothing more.

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LalaithUrwen
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Posted: Thu 04 Jun , 2009 10:53 pm
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Just giving you back the rhetoric you spouted, TED. That's all. :shrug:

I'm fine with calling it "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion" if that is your preference, though I think it's probably not as cut-and-dried as that with many people.

You'll note that not one "anti-abortion" person here in this thread applauded what this murderer did in gunning down the abortion doctor. Instead, we all condemned it.

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Riverthalos
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Posted: Thu 04 Jun , 2009 11:02 pm
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Lali, that just goes to show we have a shortage of slavering fanatics around here. This is a good thing.

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