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Jude
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Posted: Tue 14 Jul , 2009 2:39 pm
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Libel and blasphemy bill passed by the Dail

How can this be? After "saving civilization", Ireland is returning to the dark ages?

Here's the text of the legislation:
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36. Publication or utterance of blasphemous matter.

(1) A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €100,000. [Amended to €25,000]

(2) For the purposes of this section, a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if (a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and (b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.

(3) It shall be a defence to proceedings for an offence under this section for the defendant to prove that a reasonable person would find genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value in the matter to which the offence relates.

37. Seizure of copies of blasphemous statements.

(1) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 36, the court may issue a warrant (a) authorising any member of the Garda Siochana to enter (if necessary by the use of reasonable force) at all reasonable times any premises (including a dwelling) at which he or she has reasonable grounds for believing that copies of the statement to which the offence related are to be found, and to search those premises and seize and remove all copies of the statement found therein, (b) directing the seizure and removal by any member of the Garda Siochana of all copies of the statement to which the offence related that are in the possession of any person, © specifying the manner in which copies so seized and removed shall be detained and stored by the Garda Siochana.

(2) A member of the Garda Siochana may (a) enter and search any premises, (b) seize, remove and detain any copy of a statement to which an offence under section 36 relates found therein or in the possession of any person, in accordance with a warrant under subsection (1).

(3) Upon final judgment being given in proceedings for an offence under section 36, anything seized and removed under subsection (2) shall be disposed of in accordance with such directions as the court may give upon an application by a member of the Garda Siochana in that behalf.
How can anyone not be alarmed at this?

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Posted: Tue 14 Jul , 2009 3:00 pm
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That is reaaaaaally scary


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Daleks squealing in tiny mechanical voices, "Do not blaspheme! Do not blaspheme!"

Yeah, that's alarming. How can anyone know all the rules to all the religions and thus avoid blaspheming? :scratch: That's going to be a tough law to follow and enforce.

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I like it. I think we need a law like this in the US. I could start a religion worshiping Keith Olberman and then we could sue Bill O'Reilly for blasphemy every time he opens his mouth.

Or vice-versa.

Brilliant.

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I like it. I think we need a law like this in the US. I could start a religion worshiping Keith Olberman and then we could sue Bill O'Reilly for blasphemy every time he opens his mouth.

Or vice-versa.

Brilliant.

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Yep. It's happened. And I, for one, am deeply disturbed.

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Goddamnit how are they, JesusMaryandJoseph, going to enforce this law?



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That's Father Ted repeats in trouble to start with!

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Exactly! And, surely, the episode of Fawlty Towers in which Basil smacks his head off the counter and declares "Oh Buddah!"

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Many states in the US have anti blasphemy laws on the books already. Oklahoma is one of them.

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They're unenforced anachronisms, though. Presumably if the will to pass this law exists right now, the will to enforce it does too.


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When this law was being debated, the creators of Father Ted promised, if passed, to challenge it by issuing statements that were blasphemous to all the major religions. Now that it's passed, it will be interesting to see what they come up with.

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RELStuart wrote:
Many states in the US have anti blasphemy laws on the books already. Oklahoma is one of them.
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They're unenforced anachronisms, though. Presumably if the will to pass this law exists right now, the will to enforce it does too.
Norway has an old, sleeping blasphemy paragraph. Half a year ago, there was a proposal from the government to pass a new one, which was supposed to be "better" and more modern, but which was really just the same, but no longer sleeping. The public outcry was such that I've never seen the likes of it. And the proposal was withdrawn in shame.

Oh, Ireland... :(

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I don't suppose they had in their sights their northern protestant brethren with their placards that invite one to take certain liberties with His Holiness? =:)

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I am curious as to how something like this can possibly stand. Those of you who are Irish, what do you think will happen now? It seems as though this law will surely be challenged - and soon. Are there protests in the works? And how on earth did it get passed in the first place?


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