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sauronsfinger
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Posted: Mon 03 Aug , 2009 5:03 pm
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Regarding the 100% really truly accurate no doubt about it Kenyan birth certificate of Barack Obama..... over on Daily Kos, many people have been looking at it and posting reasons why it should be looked at just another fraud and hoax. Among the items which give it away - or at least raise suspicion - are

First, the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital (sometimes said to be Coast Province General Hospital), not Coast General Hospital.

Second, Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

Third, Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

Fourth, Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

Fifth, the number 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.

Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent.

Seventh, would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say "Christian name" (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?

Eighth, his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

Ninth, it was called the "Central Nyanza District," not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.


The document is dated 5 August 1964 -- a Saturday. From what I can find, Kenyan government offices close early on Friday and are closed on Saturdays.

This piece of paper certainly looks nice and new to be 45 years old -- unless the Kenyans were using acid-free paper back in 1964.

Finally, Officials of Coast Province General Hospital reported: “We do not have computerized records going back to the 1960’s and can only sort through our archives by hand,” Dr. Christopher Mwanga, an administrator at the Mombasa hospital tells GLOBE. “We have searched for all the names of babies born on Aug. 4, 1961, and have not found the name of Barack Hussein Obama. That is all I can tell you.”

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Posted: Mon 03 Aug , 2009 6:02 pm
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The birthers are a very small and unimportant group that is being magnified on the principle of "find the most radical and / or ridiculous member of the opposition and hold them up as if they represent the whole of the opposition". Absent that principle nobody would have ever heard of them.

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Posted: Mon 03 Aug , 2009 6:40 pm
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Agreed. The less we mention these yahoos the less influential and important they become--if they had either of those qualities in the first place.


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Posted: Mon 03 Aug , 2009 8:18 pm
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One might say they were small and unimportant were it not for the fact that belief that Obama was a secret Muslim was widespread during the election campaign among the uninformed (pardon my politeness) due solely to a similar viral campaign.


(edit to change uniformed to uninformed :D )

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Posted: Mon 03 Aug , 2009 8:57 pm
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I sure wise we had no reason to every have heard of them. Sadly, they are who they are. Nobody created these folks out of whole cloth. I really wish that CG was right when he said
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The birthers are a very small and unimportant group that is being magnified on the principle of "find the most radical and / or ridiculous member of the opposition and hold them up as if they represent the whole of the opposition". Absent that principle nobody would have ever heard of them.
That would be comforting if only that were true. Go back to my first post in this thread and read the polling numbers. In the South,a only a minority of people believe that President Obama was born in the USA. And the analysis shows that probably more White Republicans believe in the Birther line than the number of white folks in some parts of the South who voted for Obama. "A small and unimportant group" according to CG? Hardly. More like the rank and file of Southern white Republicans.

from my linked article in post 1
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So what proportion of Southern whites doubt that Obama is an American citizen? While Ali did not release the racial breakdowns for the the South, and cautioned that the margin of error in the smaller sample of 720 people would be larger than the national margin of error (2 percent), the proportion of white Southern voters with doubts about their president’s citizenship may be higher than 70 percent.
I never believed in sweeping dirt under the rug. Views such as these must be given the full light of day with lots of publicity and discussion. Expose them, shine a very bright spotlight upon them. Let all see these for what they are. And never ever underestimate that such views exist.

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Posted: Mon 03 Aug , 2009 10:53 pm
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elfshadow wrote:
Agreed. The less we mention these yahoos the less influential and important they become--if they had either of those qualities in the first place.
you might want to watch this. ;)


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Posted: Tue 04 Aug , 2009 6:45 am
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As ever, Maher nailed it.

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Posted: Tue 04 Aug , 2009 10:53 am
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Oh Bill Maher.

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sauronsfinger
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Posted: Tue 04 Aug , 2009 1:32 pm
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That Maher video was terrific. Thanks for it AA.

Interesting developments on that "authentic Kenyan birth certificate" of Barack Obama's.

http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2099

It seems that it was copied in part from an Australian birth certificate. The forgers even used some of the same surnames for officials and kept the numerical designations. And to think the sites pushing it yesterday had the nerve to say it was less flawed than last weeks obvious fraud. Maybe next week they will come up with a better one.

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