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Hey, if Fox s correct and NY-23 is a preview of what's in store for 2010 and 2012, I can live with it. :P

ETA: I love how they backed off at the end. :damnfunny: :damnfunny: And if they think the 'Daks are sparsely populated clearly they've never visited the West.

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Did you see some of the anti-gay marriage ads from Maine? They're on Daily Show. Man, they are crazy....

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TED
you might like this. I took it from todays Daily Kos
Quote:
Mornin', Gladys."
"Mornin', Frank."
"What's on the schedule today?"
"Marriages, marriages, marriages. You've got McGillicutty-Swarthmore at nine."
"They're the Satan worshippers, right?"
"Yup, so make sure you're wearing your flame-retardant jacket, just in case. Then at ten you're doing Hinkle-Johnson. He's been divorced six times, she's been divorced three."
"Oh, yeah. I did his second, third and fifth, and her first and third. Nice folks."
"Then we moved Org-Zod, the rapturists, from 12 to 11, since they say the end is coming at noon and they want to be married by the time they go poof."
"Understandable. 'There are no singles bars in Paradise!' Corinthians 3:16."
"Then at one o'clock you're heading out to the county jail to marry Carr the crack addict mother of eight and Blankenship the axe murderer before they send him up to maximum security for a hundred years. Then you've got Welch and Nutt at two-thirty. He's the neo-nazi anarchist and she's the former nun who got booted for schtupping sixteen priests, two bishops and a cardinal."
"Great. As long as they love each other..."
"Then at two you're joining Kettlebaum the porn addict and Ganz the kitten-drowner, and at three you'll unite Smith the deadbeat dad and Browlowski, who chain smokes in front of her kids."
"And then the gay couple at four, right?"
"Oh, no, sir! That's against the law. They're too unstable for marriage. At four you've got Elgar, Formby, Rattenhauser and Ward. He cheated on her, she cheated on him, the other woman and the other man turned out to be husband and wife and now they wanna do the ol' 'I Do Switcheroo.'"
"Silly me, I forgot. Okay, let's get started. Send in the Satan worshippers. We've got some institution-of-marriage buildin' to do. Brick by brick!"
"You're so sexy when you talk morality, sir. Grrrrowl!"
"Ruff! Ruff!"
and now for something completely different ..........


Remember that crazy quilt map illustrating the secessionist wetdream of America being destroyed that CG ran here a few weeks ago? It seems that the Lew Rockwell site is not alone is promoting such foolishness.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/200 ... -tea-party

The latest group to embrace such fantasies are nothing other than are good friends the Tea Baggers. Small world, isn't it?

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You have to wonder if FOX News had these images in todays media coverage of the Tea baggers protest in Washington

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archi ... -party.php

Please keep in mind that this was not the usual fringe teabagger nutbags but was an event sponsored by the Republican Congressional leadership complete with their full participation and blessing.

here is the NY Times article on the event

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... -the-bill/
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Thousands of opponents of the Democrats’ health care legislation are gathered outside the Capitol, for a noon news conference and rally led by Representative Michele Bachmann, Republican of Minnesota, and the chants are already underway, echoing across the Mall.


“Kill the bill!” they are shouting. “Kill the bill!”

A series of spot interviews suggests that the protesters have come to Washington from all across the country – Texas, Ohio, Oregon and the greater Washington area. It’s a generally older crowd, many in their 50s and 60s, predominantly, white, and many self-identified as Christians. They are fiercely conservative and deeply skeptical of the government, many of them adamantly opposed to abortion rights.

“The government couldn’t even get the shots out,” said Karen Ambrose of Sunbury, Ohio, ridiculing the government’s efforts to vaccinate people for the H1N1 flu as an example of what government-run health care would look like. “Let’s just get the government out of all this.”

The crowd is waving signs, some predictable, others inventive.

“No Socialistic Health Care.” “Sweeping Away Socialism One Democrat at a Time.” “Politicians Lie, Patients Die”

“You lie!”

“All lies”

Jerry Hershberger, a market representative for an automotive company for Flower Mountain, Texas, said he flew up just to protest the health care bill. “A little expense now compared to a lot of expense later,” he said, explaining why the cost of the trip was worth it to him.

Mr. Hershberger, like many of the demonstrators, repeated some of the most common conservative and Republican talking points heard repeatedly on Fox News. “It’s not bipartisan,” he said, standing outside the Capitol wearing a Texas Longhorns baseball cap. “They are doing it behind closed doors.” He added: “It’s going to drive us into a super-deficit.”

Mr. Hershberger, who has health insurance through his employer, said that he believed some changes were needed to the health care system, but that Democrats were going about the process all wrong. “Scrap all this, start from the beginning, bring in the conservatives, the Republicans and the Democrats and see what we need to do to care for the 12 to 14 million people who really need insurance.”

Asked what he thought about the three-month effort by Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, work with Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee to draft a bipartisan bill, Mr. Hershberger dismissed it, saying the resulting legislation proved the process had failed. “It doesn’t reflect what we want,” he said.

“Can you hear us now?” the crowd chanted behind him.

Mr. Hershberger said he was hoping to make a difference. “I literally got off my butt yesterday,” he said. “We might have an impact. A politician can’t be a politician if they get voted out of office.”

Many of the demonstrators, like Judith Garloch of Newark, Ohio, said they were opposed to an increasing government role in the health care. Many said they feared cuts to the Medicare program for Americans 65 and over. Many described themselves as conservative and opposed to higher taxes.

“We support our country and we’re patriots,” Ms. Garloch said. “And I don’t want my health care to be changed.”

Ms. Garloch, who has a combination of Medicare and private coverage, said insurance should be sold across state lines to increase competition.

But Ms. Garloch, like many in the crowd who while visibly angry. could not articulate the main problems in the health care system or how they should be solved.

Some of the same people warning of too much government spending also complained that Medicare does not provide sufficient coverage.

Ms. Garloch dismissed suggestions that some hospitals, like the Cleveland Clinic in her home state, had figured out ways to provide higher-quality medical outcomes at lower cost, indicating that there might be ways to cut costs without sacrificing patient care.

Her brother-in-law worked at the Cleveland Clinic for several years. “There’s a lot of bureaucracy there,” she said. “You don’t get everything you want.”

As for how to fix the health care system, she said “I think we need to fix what’s wrong now – I think we need to put a cap on the malpractice lawsuits. I just can’t see how adding more things, power to the government is going to help anything.”

Nearby, Representative Virginia Foxx, Republican of North Carolina, who recently said the Democrats’ health care legislation was more frightening to her than terrorists, worked the crowd, shaking hands and offering warm greetings. It is a clear fall day, with a crisp breeze.

Alan R. Davis, of Chillicothe, Ohio, said he had a professional background in health care finance, and was attending the protest because of his deep concerns about that nation’s staggering debt. “The country is going broke,” he said.

As for controlling medical costs, Mr. Davis did not have any ready solutions. He said that last December, his wife, Jennifer, had a heart transplant at the Cleveland Clinic. But he said he had no idea what it had cost. Her insurance coverage has an annual deductible of $4,000. After that, he said, everything was covered “100 percent.”

Mr. Davis said he did not trust Democrats’ assertions that the health care bill would be deficit neutral. “Whether it’s deficit neutral at this stage is someone’s guess, it’s an educated guess,” he said.

Mr. Davis said Americans needed to think more about the quality of life, rather than the length of life. He said that he and his wife had just such a discussion before she went forward with her heart transplant, at age 55.

Art Scevola, a financial consultant from Portland, Ore., said that he felt a mission to come to Washington. “It’s time to make a stand,” he said. “We want to see limited government, not more taxes put in our face. We don’t believe our health care system entirely broken. We need to slow down, stop and start over with this legislation.”

Mr. Scevola said that he had health insurance through his employer. “Kaiser Permanente,” he said proudly. “They are the best on the West Coast.”
It is a bad joke that the GOP leadership actually believes they can ride this tiger back into power next November just by manipulating and using them the way they used the evangelicals for the past 25 years .

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It's impressive that liberal is elected and suddenly the conservatives see a dismantling of the country, but when things are the other way, we liberals are called "treasonous" and "traitors" for thinking the same... "my hypocrisy knows no bounds." -Doc Holliday

That's an excellent little script. Ah, the sanctity of marriage. Sometimes I wonder if I'm crazy and only a few of us see it this hypocrisy of the sanctity of (i.e.) Britney Spears marrying for 55 hours, but not two gay people. Heteros have fucked up marriage for a long while. And truthfully, marriage was mostly for political and power grabs. Even in the age of Austen, it was mostly for comfort keeping social classes in line.

I still think that gays should get the word 'garriage'. It means exactly the same as marriage, but then straight people who are irked by the thoughts of two men bumping uglies, won't have to lose their "word."

Continuing my random thoughts: did you see South Park last night, sf? South Park did an episode which could be a referendum on the word 'fag.'

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Yes TED. I did indeed see South Park. Watching that mustachioed cop doing his undercover act was hilarious.

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You're thinking of a different episode. That was the one about pimps. There was one last night (the new one at 1030 pm) about the use of the word fag. The cop was funny too, though.

I like the comparisons to the Nazis because it proves to me that when liberals did it, they weren't the only ones going overboard in disingenuous comparisons.

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then I missed it.

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Shooting at Ft. Hood. Maj. Hasan, an army psychiatric officer, opened fire on the soldier readiness center. 12 dead, 31 wounded. The shooter is not dead (according to the latest report). Very sad.

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I was mistaken: he is a mental health officer. I'm not sure if there is a difference, but I'd rather be accurate. It's all over MSNBC.

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The Constitution has become a MacGuffin! It doesn't mean squat anymore in this country. Here's the proof: Boehner reads from the Constitution's preamble?!

I appreciate that his staff writer got the preamble correct, but if you are going to constantly reference the document, then LEARN WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS!

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Thanks for that video clip TED. The Boehner is an idiot... a nicely tanned idiot... one who looks like he was sent from central casting ... but an idiot just the same. I wish I had a dollar for every single time over the years I have heard somebody call into a talk radio station and make exactly the same mistake that Boehner made yesterday. I would be a rich man. They talk about their "constitutional rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and then use that to justify anything they want to do or do not want to do. When you point out the error they have made, they shrug it off like the distinction between the Declaration of Independence and the Constituition is meaningless.

You can point out to them that the Dec-of-Ind is the nations birth announcement and means precious little else in actual terms of what your rights are. You can point out to them that historians who are experts on the time period such as Pauline Maier have written extensively that a term like "liberty" only meant freedom from foreign rule back in the 18th century and not the license to do as you damn well please that some take it for today. Of course, all that falls upon deaf ears.

Its good we have tape of Boehner doing this. I only wish it were another dollar in my pocket

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Dave_LF wrote:
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Eight Ways to Run the Country by Brian Patrick Mitchell.
I actually don't think that's the one I remember, so there may be more than one out there.
This one then?

The Nine Nations of North America

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Garreau, in the NINE NATIONS book, seems to confuse the concept of a NATION with that of a REGION. He is misusing the term in his title.

There is a huge difference between admitting that we are not all 100% on the same page as a country with legitimate regional differences and advocating and romanticizing libertarian/secessionist fantasies about the USA breaking into different countries like the Lew Rockwell article did. An attempt to use the first to justify the second is disingenuous at best and borders on treasonous at worst.

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Cenedril_Gildinaur wrote:
That's the one I remember. I haven't read it, but encountered it somewhere once upon a time.

I agree with the reviewer and sf that something like "regions" would have been a better word than "nations". But I also think Garreau's boundaries are better than Mitchell's.


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What do the boundaries mean? Are the boundaries so significant that they cannot be overcome?

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