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Is this the end for the UK/US "Special Relationship?"

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Posted: Fri 02 Oct , 2009 4:18 pm
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This by the author and columnist Frederick Forsyth in my newpaper today:
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Media pundits on both sides of the Pond delight in telling us that the "special relationship" between us and the USA is over. And all this because while Tony Blair got on well with presidents Clinton and Bush (why not, he was virtually their errand boy) Gordon Brown gets on with no one and, after taking up residence half-way up the insane Gaddafi's burka, certainly not with Barack Obama.

The fact is that this remarkable post-1945 amity between the West's two leading democracies, financial centres and military forces has little to do with personal schmoozing between the two heads of governments. True, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were best buddies and jointly destroyed global communism. But the White House never liked Wilson or Heath or warmed to John Major. That is not what it is about.

The real relationship is between the professionals at many levels: diplomatic, intelligence, military. At any time there are a thousand collaborations going on below the radar. Intelligence sharing is absolutely vital. In view of the huge apparatus, most is from them to us but we occasionally respond with a mother lode of extreme value. Listen to the US generals in Afghanistan lauding the courage and professionalism of our soldiers. It is not feigned.

As for the highest level, Barack Obama can smell a multiple loser a mile off and sees no point in cultivating Gordon Brown. The relationship is based on common interests, common standards, common language and trust.

Politicians come and go, common cause survives. President Obama probably has seven years, Gordon Brown seven months. The real professionals know that.

We have been around for 200 years. We can wait 200 days.
Daily Express, October 2, 2009 www.express.co.uk (this part of his column not available online)

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Posted: Fri 02 Oct , 2009 4:41 pm
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Ack, Forsyth is a cranky right winger who constantly used to claim the Labour government was in the pay of the Kremlin. No one expects him to have a good word for any Labour government.

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Posted: Fri 02 Oct , 2009 5:20 pm
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Never mind the politics... :neutral: he makes good points about it not being the personalities in charge that counts.

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Yes, that's true. Not only that, there is still the powerful folk memory of the GI's coming over. There is still a great deal of affection for those memories.

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Posted: Fri 02 Oct , 2009 7:58 pm
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Besides, at the moment there's no particular need for close co-operation between the two powers. The two major global challenges today are the GFC and Climate Change, both of which require far broader involvement than the US and UK. Both Barack Obama and Gordon Brown have far more pressing domestic issues. And it's true that Brown is almost certainly on his way out anyway.

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Posted: Sat 03 Oct , 2009 8:24 am
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At the last election, the Labour manifesto explicitely said that Tony Blair would stay as PM for the full term.

A very unusual step. Yes, incumbent PMs have been ousted or resigned whilst in office before and we end up with a PM that no one has voted for, but this was the first time a manifesto included a pledge to stay. If it's in a manifesto, TPTB obviously think it will influence voters.

Brown should have held an election 1 or 2 years ago if he had any honour.

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Posted: Sat 03 Oct , 2009 1:21 pm
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He would have almost certainly lost, but by nowhere near as much as he's probably going to lose next year. Now he's got no real choice but to stick it out to the end. I doubt voters will be particularly happy if he drags them to the polls in winter.

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