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PostPosted: Wed 31 Oct , 2018 9:56 am 
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I literally just posted this on Hall of Fire:

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Its interesting to me that in America, when you refer to White people you mean American White people. There's plenty of negative stereotypes about the Irish, and we're mostly white. The problem is that there's an equivalence assumed, that all White people share the same background as American Whites. I come from a country that was oppressed and enslaved by our nearest neighbours for over 800 years. They were white, we were white, so it wasn't racism? Sure as all hell it was! But despite being the oppressed nation, we're told that because we're White, we're not the victims. And in addition to that, we're expected to treat Black people as if we had oppressed them, as if American history applies globally. Its disconcerting to say the least. We have our own baggage, why should we carry yours too?

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Oct , 2018 2:07 pm 

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Alatar, I'm not sure the cultural appropriation discussion is so much about racism per se as it is about the difference between "This is intentionally offensive and would be seen as so by most reasonable people" vs "I'm worried that someone, somewhere, will be hurt or offended so I won't do it." And inevitably, someone, somewhere, will be offended these days and make a fuss on social media. Often on behalf of a culture they don't even belong to. People are catering to those most easily offended and not to the reasonable majority.

I saw a post on a discussion board where someone was requested to dress in traditional clothing for a party in honor of someone, but was reluctant to do so for fear of cultural appropriation, because he happened to be white. Apparently, he finally did and the person being honored saw nothing to take offense at. And yet I'm willing to bet that, if someone posted pictures on social media, some stranger would be sure to tell him how wrong he was.

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Nov , 2018 12:37 am 
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I did see your post in the thread, Al. I was surprised to learn that you all are being held to account over the racism of America toward blacks. :scratch: That really doesn't make any sense to me.

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan , 2019 4:23 pm 

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/julie-irwin-zimmerman-i-failed-covington-catholic-test/580897/
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I Failed the Covington Catholic Test

Next time there’s a viral story, I’ll wait for more facts to emerge.

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The story is a Rorschach test—tell me how you first reacted, and I can probably tell where you live, who you voted for in 2016 and your general take on a list of other issues—but it shouldn’t be. Take away the video and tell me why millions of people cared so much about an obnoxious group of high-school students protesting legalized abortion and a small circle of Native Americans protesting centuries of mistreatment who were briefly locked in a tense standoff. Take away Twitter and Facebook and explain why total strangers cared so much about people they didn’t know in a confrontation they didn’t witness. Why are we all so primed for outrage, and what if the thousands of words and countless hours spent on this had been directed toward something consequential?

If the Covington Catholic incident was a test, it’s one I failed—along with most others. Will we learn from it, or will we continue to roam social media, looking for the next outrage fix? Next time a story like this surfaces, I’ll try to sit it out until more facts have emerged. I’ll remind myself that the truth is sometimes unknowable, and I’ll stick to discussing the news with people I know in real life, instead of with strangers whom I’ve never met. I’ll get my news from legitimate journalists instead of an online mob for whom Saturday-morning indignation is just another form of entertainment.

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan , 2019 7:03 pm 
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Here's a play by play of the situation that led to Phillips stepping in, with links to video.

https://twitter.com/lisasharper/status/ ... 4673655809

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jan , 2019 1:44 pm 

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Not really "echo chamber," but a curious twist to this incident that I thought worth posting. I stumbled across it while checking the news. Otherwise, I have very little interest in how a bunch of high school kids (immature, by definition alone) acted during an anti-abortion march. If they were disrespectful to an adult (or anyone else, for that matter), that's a matter for their parents and school.
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/426338-twitter-suspends-account-that-helped-incident-involving-catholic-school
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Twitter has suspended an account that helped a widely publicized encounter between Catholic high school school students and a Native American man go viral.

CNN Business reported on Monday that Twitter took the step after receiving questions from the news network about the account.

The account, @2020fight, posted a minute-long video of the interaction [that] garnered at least 2.5 million views and at least 14,400 retweets.

...@2020fight claims to belong to a California schoolteacher. However its profile photo is of a blogger based in Brazil, according to CNN, which noted that Twitter's guidelines explicitly prohibit "fake and misleading accounts."




More on topic and worth a read:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/viral-clash-students-and-native-americans-explained/580906/
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Stop Trusting Viral Videos

A controversial video of Catholic students clashing with American Indians appeared to tell a simple truth. A second video called that story into question. But neither shows what truly happened
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But rather than drawing conclusions about who was vicious or righteous—or lamenting the political miasma that makes the question unanswerable—it might be better to stop and look at how film footage constructs rather than reflects the truths of a debate like this one. Despite the widespread creation and dissemination of video online, people still seem to believe that cameras depict the world as it really is; the truth comes from finding the right material from the right camera. That idea is mistaken, and it’s bringing forth just as much animosity as the polarization that is thought to produce the conflicts cameras record.
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For Sandmann and his colleagues, their actual intentions and motivations seem vital to any account of what took place. But not only can we never really know what those were, they also don’t matter once the original video has been shot and shared. That short clip shows a young man with a smirk, wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, appearing to stare down a Native elder: Simply describing the scene, at this political and cultural moment, suggests a racist threat.

That’s not just because the internet makes it easy to come to simple and quick conclusions, and to spread those answers as truth before verification. It’s also because such an edit almost seems purpose-built to service that conclusion. It juxtaposes an almost perfect avatar for apparent white nationalism, MAGA hat and all, with the apparent cultural frailty of a brown-skinned victim carrying out an act of indigenous humility. Whether Sandmann and Phillips are telling the truth or not matters only marginally—the image and the clip take on a life of their own, reproducing a conflict that viewers have already been primed to seek out by the overall political situation and their place in it.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan , 2019 2:45 pm 

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https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/426891-criticism-of-biden-bipartisanship-exactly-whats-wrong-with-us
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Recently, the New York Times breathlessly reported that former Vice President Joe Biden had the temerity to praise a long-serving Republican member of Congress during a speech to a Midwest audience in the run-up to the 2018 election. This member—Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan—went on to win re-election by a relatively narrow margin. And now that Biden is signaling that he may very well run for president in 2020, the partisan knives are out—and it’s members of his own party who are holding them. This sad little vignette exemplifies exactly what is wrong with American politics today.

“Mr. Biden stunned Democrats and elated Republicans by praising Mr. Upton while the lawmaker looked on from the audience,” the Times reports. “Alluding to Mr. Upton’s support for a landmark medical-research law, Mr. Biden called him a champion in the fight against cancer—and ‘one of the finest guys I’ve ever worked with.’” As the Times also notes, Upton had nothing to do with Biden giving the speech, and there is “no evidence Mr. Biden was motivated to praise the lawmaker by anything other than sincere admiration, stemming from Mr. Upton’s role in crafting the 21st Century Cures Act after the death of Mr. Biden’s elder son, Beau, from cancer in 2015.”



I've also seen a bunch of similar hit pieces condemning Beto O'Rourke lately, written by progressive Democrats. And every time I read them, I find that O'Rourke's "sin" is just that he has occasionally broken from the party line and voted differently, while overall voting with liberals on the same topics.

If the Democrats want to turn off centrists and independents, they are going about it the right way. I am sick and tired of both parties demanding adherence to the party line and condemning anyone who dares praise or agree with members of the other party. The Republicans are even worse, IMO.

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Feb , 2019 2:43 pm 

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This seems as good a place as any to post this. The Democrats seem particularly good at eating their own, this campaign cycle, and the left-biased outlets are helping them do it. (I'm sure the right-biased outlets are promoting these non-story hit pieces as well, but that goes without saying).

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/431534-more-than-60-former-staffers-defend-klobuchar-as-a-mentor-and-a-friend
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More than 60 former staffers of Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) have defended the senator as a "mentor and a friend" in response to news reports that she has mistreated her staff over the years.

The staffers came to Klobuchar's defense in a letter posted to Medium on Sunday. The staffers wrote that some of them were among those contacted by The New York Times and other outlets but that their "positive" experiences were not fully reported.


You'd think the media would have learned its lesson in 2016 and stuck to reporting important issues, and reporting all issues factually and fairly. Do people really think that Klobuchar treats her staffers so badly that she can't retain good people? Have the news outlets looked to see if she has a significantly higher resignation rate than most other lawmakers in her position? If she does (which is completely unknown at this point), is that because she has high standards or because she's an ass like Trump? Or are the newspapers just reporting gossip again?

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar , 2019 11:07 pm 
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There is no doubt that our media needs to get their shit together. Our country quite literally depends on it.

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I hope it doesn't, because I don't think they'll change. IMO, the trouble is that news has become a profit-driven enterprise and relies on sensationalism and gossip to get attention. A boring educational read is not what most Americans seem to want. And so the media gives us whatever gets us to click on a story (which I admit I've done). I think we have to just train ourselves to read critically and widely.

Incidentally, it does seem that Amy Klobuchar has a high turnover of staff compared to her peers, but I have yet to see a balanced analysis of whether that has hurt her ability to attract and keep effective and talented staff. Maybe it exists, but what I saw were "she reduced me to tears" personal tales of woe, all published around the same time in various liberal-leaning news sources. For all I know after reading a couple, she could just have a low tolerance for fools and a caustic tongue with them.






A couple of viewpoints after US House representative Omar stirred up a hornet's nest with several Twitter comments on the influence of Israel and Jewish lobbies.

From a mainstream news source that's very liberal but also outside the US:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/07/debunking-myth-that-anti-zionism-is-antisemitic
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The Long Read: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic

All over the world, it is an alarming time to be Jewish – but conflating anti-Zionism with Jew-hatred is a tragic mistake


A viewpoint from a US source. Many articles with a similar perspective have been published in US papers in recent days.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/belgian-carnival-float-shows-virus-anti-semitism/584251/
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Socially Acceptable Anti-Semitism

It is the religion of people too lazy to accept the complexity of reality.


btw, some of the new House representatives are bringing up some interesting issues. For instance, I had no idea that pro-Israel groups sponsor a traditional (free) trip to Israel for new US lawmakers until I heard about the plans for an alternative trip to the occupied territories. The idea that our representatives in Congress are getting a carefully controlled view from one side of this conflict strikes me as wrong and I would like to see that sort of thing end.

This might also be relevant. I have no idea if Ilhan Omar's comments had anything to do with it but it seems possible. There was a recent Senate bill that tried to give states legal cover for punishing any business that supports the pro-Palestinian Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement. 26 states have passed anti-BDS bills at the urging of some pro-Israel groups. Opponents say such laws suppress free speech. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/9/18172826/bds-law-israel-boycott-states-explained
The bill failed due to a filibuster but more than 70 senators would have voted for it.



That reminds me, this is a story I haven't seen in mainstream US news sources, though it's been covered by the news in Israel. It seems like an appropriate moment to post it:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/american-pro-israel-lobby-girds-for-al-jazeera-expose/
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American pro-Israel lobby girds for Al Jazeera exposé
Jewish leaders reportedly claim Qatar promised to block TV series, but Qatari FM says there will be ‘no interference’ in media issues
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American Jewish leaders are bracing themselves for a documentary series made by the Al Jazeera network expected to claim that pro-Israel groups in Washington are helping Israel to identify and discredit US citizens whom they see as anti-Israel, including supporters of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign...“The documentary will investigate how such groups secure support for Israel in Congress and how they have been drawn into Israel’s covert campaign to defeat BDS, the movement to boycott, divest and impose sanctions on Israel.”

...In recent months, the Qataris have been courting the Donald Trump administration intensively...

Noah Pollack, executive director of the Committee for Israel, a lobbying group, reportedly told Muzin that Qatar’s image would suffer massive damage if the series was aired....

...In a statement quoted by the Washington Examiner, Noah Pollack said, “Let’s not mince words about what this was — a well-funded, professional espionage operation carried out by Qatar on American soil.“Its purpose is to cast American Jews engaged in perfectly normal political activity as secret conspirators with the Israeli government, an old anti-Semitic trope. ...

Last year, the UK’s official media watchdog, Ofcom, rejected a complaint against an earlier Al Jazeera documentary that exposed an Israeli embassy official attempting to influence British lawmakers. Ofcom said the network’s reporting, which led to the resignation of Shai Masot, who was filmed plotting to “take down” British lawmakers seen as unfriendly to Israel, was not anti-Semitic.

Rather, Ofcom concluded, the program was “a serious investigative documentary which explored the actions of the Israeli Embassy and, in particular, its then Senior Political Officer Shai Masot and his links to several political organizations that promote a pro-Israel viewpoint.”



This has also been reported in an editorial by a reporter at the UK newspaper The Independent:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/al-jazeera-investigation-us-israel-lobbying-not-published-why-qatar-a8257191.html
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Al Jazeera did a hard-hitting investigation into US and Israeli lobbying – so why won't they air it?



As far as I know, the US version of The Lobby has not been released. But it seems to have been leaked to YouTube, if anyone is interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lSjXhMUVKE


I imagine that similar exposes might be done for various other powerful lobbying groups in the U.S.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Mar , 2019 7:56 pm 

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Al-Jazeera also went undercover to investigate lobbying by the NRA. Just released:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html
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How to sell a massacre: NRA's playbook, revealed

Three-year undercover sting reveals how US's National Rifle Association handles public opinion after deadly gun attacks.

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