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Post subject: Re: World of Warcraft
Posted: Mon 19 Jan , 2009 11:08 am
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I think the online aspect of it is your only worry. They both allow either in-game voice chat, or text, so there's always the remote possibility of predatory behaviour, but I'd say its very unlikely. There's far better ways to do that if you're a pervert than stalk the local Night Elf in WoW. As a matter of preference, I found WoW players to have a larger proportion of assholes. I'm talking about the 13 year old guys who get their kicks out of demonstrating their superiority by yelling "u SUCK lam3r" at every opportunity. That said, I'm on a roleplaying server in LotRO, and the first RP server launched so the average behaviour is as you'd expect from predominantly die-hard LotR fans. They're helpful and friendly for the most part with just the very occasional fly in the ointment.

As for the content, they're similar, but I would say that LotRO is more story driven. Of course, if his friends are playing WoW, thats what he'll want to play. PM me if you want more info. I've played both pretty extensively.

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Posted: Mon 19 Jan , 2009 4:25 pm
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I let my 11 year old play WOW. I have the parental controls set so that bad
language is blocked out. There are also controls so that he can only play at times that you have designated and will also get booted off when you say as well. That will hopefully prevent addiction to the game.

I am going to second what Alatar said about the maturity level of some of the players. If you let him join a PvP server, there is the frustration of those that have nothing better to do with their time than camp lower level players. In the text box, crude jokes and a lot of stupidity, name calling and well....juvenile behavior.

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Posted: Mon 19 Jan , 2009 6:27 pm
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I'd say in the spectrum of things teenagers (and preteens) can do with their free time, playing MMORPGs is probably one of the less dangerous. The risk from online predators is negligible. He'd have to interact with a number of hyperaggressive juvenile illiterates, but if he's going to junior high, he's presumably doing that already. ;) The main danger would indeed be that he'd spend too much time playing, but there are steps you can take to combat that.

And yes, it is much more possible to bully and be bullied on a PvP server than on a regular one. But I imagine he'd want to join whichever server his friend is already on.

I've barely played WoW myself since the baby was born. On the rare occasion I have time to play games, it's got to be one I can pause. ;)


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Posted: Mon 19 Jan , 2009 10:39 pm
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Thank you for the feedback, guys. I'm going to try to put him off playing MMORPGs for a while, as he gets plenty of screen time already on his Nintendo DS (he's recently got a TT chip, and seems to be on that 24/7 the last 3 days :neutral: ) But I know he'll come at me again about this (he's a computer geek in the making; he's already creating his own animations and mini-games) so I thought I should be prepared.

So, what's the difference between all the different servers? I don't understand that...not only multiple servers, but also different types of servers? And do you have to commit to one, or can you log onto a different one whenever you want?

I'm tending towards the LoTR game due to my own bias...that way, I'll have a better chance of understanding what he's talking about when he whines or jubilates about the game. ;)

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Posted: Mon 19 Jan , 2009 10:47 pm
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You don't have to commit to just one server, but you can't move characters from one server to another without paying. On "normal" servers, you only have to fight other players when you want to. On a PvP (player-vs-player) server, you can be attacked by players from the other faction at (approximately) any time. Even if they are much, much stronger than you and you don't have a chance of beating them. On RP (roleplaying) servers, you are expected to pretend that you actually are your character and interact with other players accordingly. There are no such requirements on normal servers. A server can be both PvP and RP.


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Post subject: Re: World of Warcraft
Posted: Mon 19 Jan , 2009 10:55 pm
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Thanks Dave. I'm taking notes. :)

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Posted: Wed 21 Jan , 2009 7:38 am
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Impenitent wrote:

I'm tending towards the LoTR game due to my own bias...that way, I'll have a better chance of understanding what he's talking about when he whines or jubilates about the game. ;)
I think that's rather unlikely ;). As soon as he tells you that he did the chicken run in under two hours, you'll be lost :P.

You could start to play LotR yourself :D

At the moment I prefer LotR, because it has more like a story and not the more show-off gear and weapon competition. IMHO the ones who are most eager to bully others are the 13 to 16 year olds. If his friends are playing already, he should definitly start on the same server and try to be online at the same times - playing with others who have already some experience and a higher level might help him to get along better. Plus, they maybe can integrate him into a nice guild with some serious players.

with the MMORG's the same guidelines for kids should be valid as all over the web - don't tell your age, don't hand out private info and run to tell your parents if you're harrassed. After three years of WOW I can only say that in all that time I only had to write one single ticket to the gamemasters, because another player whispered a five-letter-word to my female orc-shaman. He just passed by, whispered "hi", I answered "hi", and his next response was "..." - I was quite shocked! But your son might have such encounters in any other online game. I found that there are lots of german players leaving the german WOW-servers, because they want new challenges and some of them start LotR. I fear that these might take the competition attitude also to that game.

As Dave said there are RP-servers and normal ones - but (I can only speak for the german ones) in the WOW forum there are a lot of complaints that most players don't care for RP rules and destroy the RP-feeling for others :shrug:

I prefer the PvE (people versus environment) to the PvP (people versus people)-servers. On PvP servers there are - especially in the afternoon, so you can guess who that species is - lots of players who love to take a highlevel character into a lowlevel area of the other fraction to get easy kills and to "gank lowies". :shrug: Their form of bullying......

My daugher wants to play, too, but with 8 she's far too young - I might let her start at 11 or 12, but I'll make sure that I'll be online to watch her steps (And maybe to get her through the deathmines or ragefire with my - then hopefully 100er warlock ;) )

oh - another word to the servers - you can have up to ten different characters on a WOW-server and IIRC up to 10 different servers (make 100... :O ). On a normal server you can have both Horde and Alliance characters, on a RP server you have to decide between them.

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Post subject: Re: World of Warcraft
Posted: Wed 21 Jan , 2009 10:32 pm
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My heart sinks a little just reading that. I'll be biding my time until his harassment becomes unbearable and then look at it again. And he doesn't have many friends playing WoW - only one, and he's the same age (11) and I don't think he plays a lot so I suspect if and when my son starts to play he will effectively be alone.

Thank you for the feedback - helps a lot to form a picture (albeit a slightly confused one :blackeye: ).

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Posted: Wed 11 Feb , 2009 11:34 pm
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For your child's sake and your sake don't put your kid on a PvP server. I'm technically and adult and I'm on a PvP sever and it is so frustrating so I can't imagine what it would be like for the younger folks. I loved playing on a PvE server because you can choose to flag yourself and PvP with those who are also flagged which is ideal, but you can quest and enjoy the game without the frustration of those who get off on ganking low levels for the hell of it :).

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Posted: Thu 12 Feb , 2009 12:52 pm
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Yes. I would only recommend a Player vs. Player server if your child is the devious sort who actually enjoys finding ways to get back at the jerks who spend time hunting down much weaker players. Not that I would know anything about that...

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Posted: Fri 13 Feb , 2009 3:47 am
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Hey, Mr. Wolfgangbos, is your lock a tailor? If so, did you know about the Loremaster of Northrend achievment's little perk?

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Posted: Fri 13 Feb , 2009 12:23 pm
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I certainly did, and I'm wearing it right now. :cheers:

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Posted: Fri 13 Feb , 2009 11:50 pm
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I'm still looking forward to it. Got a late start on WOTLK--I took time off of WOW in Nov/Dec to write a novel. :D

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Posted: Tue 18 Aug , 2009 12:27 am
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Just started playing a trial of LOTRO but I have a generic MMORPG question. When fighting an enemy, all you can really do is use your skills...you can't physically move your character to dodge anything, etc right? Hope I've phrased that question clearly.

And how in the hell does anybody learn to play these sorts of games? They're damned huge and complicated with very little instruction!

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Posted: Mon 24 Aug , 2009 6:17 am
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Learning by testing ;) and trial and error.

But usually there's some sort of guide in the game - as, when you encounter something new - a windows opens and tells something like: "You entered a town. Here you can buy things, go the bank and find new teachers".

It's called "Tutorial" and can be deactivated.

But best thing to learn to play is to find someone ingame who can tell and teach things.

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Posted: Sat 29 Aug , 2009 1:26 am
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Usually you'll have a dodge rating Eru so the higher your dodge rating the more likely you'll get outta the way. In WoW you earn dodge from certain talents in the talent tree. MMO's can be overwhelming because they are so huge and there is so much to do and see. Run around and click stuff that's how I started. If you can take quests/missions that's always a good way to start, it helps with the plot and gives a set list of objectives. Message boards can also be helpful :D

I'm excited for you Eru!!! Is that your character in your avatar? She's purdy! :)

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Posted: Mon 31 Aug , 2009 9:34 pm
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Eru, each WoW attack has a range associated with it, and some require you to be facing your target. You can "dodge" by moving out of that range or getting behind your attacker, but otherwise you're right; it's not an arcade-style game where you can duck a punch.


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Usually you'll have a dodge rating Eru so the higher your dodge rating the more likely you'll get outta the way.
I think in LOTRO it's called Evade. Once I started to level up, I had this skill become available...for purchase of course. :P
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If you can take quests/missions that's always a good way to start, it helps with the plot and gives a set list of objectives.
Oh I've been doing plenty of quests! The only ones I don't like so much is ones that you can't do solo. I tend to put off asking for help. :P
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Message boards can also be helpful :D
There's some LOTRO MBs, but I'm so n00bish, it's embarrassing. :P
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Yep! Thanks! :D
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it's not an arcade-style game where you can duck a punch.
I think I honestly prefer it that way. I've not done much gaming that requires fighting except for Zelda and sometimes I found it difficult to 1) remember how to execute moves and 2) just having to do them in general and keep from getting hit whilst fighting bosses. I always hated boss fights. :P

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Posted: Tue 01 Sep , 2009 10:22 pm
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With regard to the second half of your question:
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