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oldtoby
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Posted: Tue 22 Mar , 2005 2:49 am
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Ahhhhh, ok :D thats cool.

"systematic bias" eh? gonna have to ask my Reseach Methods Prof. about that. (cause it'll make me look like i'm smart ;) hehehe)


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Sorry I'm late again! ;) Welcome back, Wilko. I am really glad you've agreed to participate in this (quite apart from the guinea-pig aspect :P)

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That said, I don't see where that is supposed to take place (I currently only see 3 Convention threads and a Sticky in the Jury room ?). In the meantime, I will just say that I seem to cause even more trouble here when I'm not online than when I am, which I have to apologise for.
My apologies if I’ve confused you Wilko. I was waiting to hear back from you, as to whether you’d be willing to take this to the arbitration process, before I set up a thread in the Jury Room. I’ve now heard back from everyone concerned and am working on getting this rolling shortly; I’m just waiting for the other admins to agree with the jury selection before I can ask if they’re willing.

I would urge you to keep an eye on your private messaging here on the board; the admin email account is a pain and a half to access from work for both Griff and I. One of us (probably me, with my control-freak tendencies ;) )will let you know when the thread is up.

I was going to explain more, but I see that Jny has beat me to it a page or so back!

I understand from the sticky thread that the membership have to approve the jurors as well? Can I take it that if I leave the names up for three days and there's no dissent then we can run with it. Speaking personally, I cannot imagine anyone having a problem with any of the individuals put forward. :)

I really like the idea of the individuals involved in a dispute being able to suggest jury members and for the admins to be expected to pick three people from that group where possible. It suggest to me a group of people coming to the table as equals to work something out.

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I just want to quickly say how glad I am to see you back Wilko and that you've agreed to subject yourself to the processes :Q ;)

I feel much, MUCH better now. :)
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I’m just waiting for the other admins to agree with the jury selection before I can ask if they’re willing ... I understand from the sticky thread that the membership have to approve the jurors as well?

Leoba,

I think you've got the Arbitration confused with a ban hearing. You don't need the approval of anyone - admins or membership - for the jury in an Arbitration. Just try to get three willing bodies from among those proposed by Ber, Wilko and I. As soon as three jurors agree, you're done.

Arbitrations are not supposed to be adversarial and the jurors don't have to be advocates for particular posters. They only have to decide on a course of action that will best preserve the peace of the board and the feeling of fairness among the posters.

But I'm making little notes on all of this for improving the stickies because the discussion is really illuminating as to how people view the process.

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I have perhaps then misinterpreted the guidelines. It was this bit that threw me:
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The jury list will be presented to the posters for approval, but no more than three days should be spent agreeing upon a jury and the admin will have final say if agreement cannot be reached any other way.
And there I was remarking on how simple the whole thing seemed to be.

If you're making notes, would you add the suggestion that all admins (not involved in the arbitration directly) should approve the choice of jurors. I understand that it's not an adversarial process, but it doesn't strike me as right that one admin should make that decision exclusively.

Knowing though that I can though, I will email the relevant people in about three hours time - hopefully, in the interests of peace of mind, Estel will have given her okay by then.

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Leoba -

Aha! Now I get it ... "presented to the posters for approval" means the posters who are involved in the arbitration, not the board as a whole.

This was intended to fulfill the desire expressed by members that people involved in an arbitration should have first say in their own jury.

I will correct that sentence in the sticky right now, because it is only now that I realize how ambiguous it is.

Jn

edit: the paragraph now reads:

3. Three jurors will be selected by the admin with the following guidelines: (a) every effort will be made to select jurors proposed by the posters, but (b) if more than three posters are involved in the dispute the admin must have discretion to choose three jurors from among those proposed, and (c) jury duty is voluntary. If one of the posters involved in the dispute is a current admin, then none of the jurors should be current admins. The jury list will be presented for approval to the posters involved in the arbitration, but no more than three days should be spent agreeing upon a jury and the admin will have final say if agreement cannot be reached any other way.

This is not a change of rules, it is a change of language to make the paragraph consistent with the intention of the members during discussion.

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Hi!

Ok so I just skimmed most of this I fully admit and some things seem to have died down by now but I am going to spew anyway. I'm feeling very bad ass tonight since I got my new PSP and I've been kicking alien ass for hours now.

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Banning of anyone here by whatever method is somewhat ironic and hypocritical in my opinion.

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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRIVACY ON THE INTERNET.

DON'T EXPECT IT. EVER.

I work in Corporate America. Do you have any idea how many boring meetings about e-mail policy I am had to sit through?

The bottom line is if you don't want someone to read what you write then just use the phone.

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Banning of anyone here by whatever method is somewhat ironic and hypocritical in my opinion.

Why is that? Just because we're a member moderated board we have to open our doors to every pedophile and porn spammer in the world? ;)

I know what you meant ... but, surely there are things which every community forbids to its member, and ejects those members when they don't comply.

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Mighty_Squid wrote:
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Banning of anyone here by whatever method is somewhat ironic and hypocritical in my opinion.
IMO, the only way it would be hypocritical is if it was done in the same fashion of some of the TORC bannings.

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I'm just being judgmental.

At least I'm man enough to admit it.

Wait.

There's something wrong with that statement.

checks

right.

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Squiddy, I suggest you read the Arbitration thread in the Jury Room.

We're still pulling pieces of Styrofoam packing out of the system, and not everyone has read all the instructions yet :oops: , but it worked pretty well first time out, if I do say so myself.


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It did, Prim, it did! :)

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This place was a lot of fun. I hope it don't die too.
I hope it, too, but my hope is waning.

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Mine isn't. I thought the arbitration was excellent...or maybe we just got lucky the first time to have it around someone as polite, sensible and optimistic as Wilko. I'm not throwing these out to be nice, I think it's friggin awesome how he reacts to all this...that he hasn't thrown a fit and ran off but is still here. He cares, damnit. :D

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I'm sticking a lock on this as the issue has more than run it's course.

I'm planning on deleting the thread later, unless someone yells before then and tells me it would contravene a rule to do so! :)

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