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Honestly, I think it is difficult to judge the potential admin qualities of someone who does not post a lot and moreover, it is important that an admin is regularly online to be able to fulfill his tasks - a high post-count is often simply a sign of regular online time.

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I just want to say I'm keeping up, here, and nodding in agreement, and not wanting to spam by just posting I'm agreeing, but let me post this now, so everybody knows I'm keeping up :D

I agree it is important that active members, regularly online, good contributors, that sort of thing, gets preference for the Admin positions. An Admin really need to have a finger on the pulse of the whole site, and lots of cross-forum involvement.

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I have a question about the poll myself.

I like the idea that qualitative characteristics must figure into the eligibility of an admin, but if we don't have a quantitative threshold, how will we know when to start reviewing the qualitative stuff? And who will do it?

e.g. let's say someone has been on the boards for one month and has made a fairly serious contribution in some manner. Some of us say to ourselves, "good admin material." Is one month enough to approach them? Should there be a minimum post count? Who decides whether these qualitative characteristics constitute a reason to approach the member re their willingness to be an admin?

I'm afraid that we are going to need some kind of quantitative threshold in terms of join date and/or post count just to know when to start looking at the person, when to initiate the process of administrative training, and so forth.

The qualitative characteristics should become more important when someone moves out of the admin-in-training stage and into the full admin stage. I think so anyway. And that eligibility per se should be a separate issue and decided quantitatively.

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Jny, the quantitative threshold I had in mind was length of membership. Just like it says in options E and F - six months or a year (personally, I think six months is more enough) - you do need some time to become familiar with the boards, and it's also necessary to show that, even if you have made some good contributions to start with, you seem to intend to stay here, too.
So, I thought that threshold was already there.

I don't quite understand you last point, though:
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The qualitative characteristics should become more important when someone moves out of the admin-in-training stage and into the full admin stage. I think so anyway. And that eligibility per se should be a separate issue and decided quantitatively.
Does that mean there should be a final vote after someone has done a first admin training?

This goes into the direction of what I came here to say in the first place: I need to repeat my question from before, as I think it's important for deciding on the options:
Would there be any voting at all, if we have automatic eligibility by postcount/time as a member here (i.e. under any of the options A to D)?
It seems, that with these options, a further vote is redundant.

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Th - I'm sorry - you're right. There is a time limit quantifier and I'd forgotten about that. It was only the post count quantifier that you removed.

As far as the voting goes, it seems that people do want some kind of vote but we can't vote on someone until they become eligible, so it seems to me that we should be able to decide the criteria for eligibility before tackling how the vote will be done.

The voting issue is being disussed in the other thread, "Convention: Admin powers," and it seems to me that there are all kinds of proccedural things that have to be decided with regard to the actual selection of admins, as I've outlined over there. All of this, however, is independent of eligibility in my mind, because nothing else can be done until a person becomes eligible for consideration.

Even if we decided that no further voting was needed - people just went into the pool when they became eligible, we still need to have some kind of decision criterion as to when, for example, they practiced enough on the practice board, when they move from admin-in-training to full admin, and etc.

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Would there be any voting at all, if we have automatic eligibility by postcount/time as a member here (i.e. under any of the options A to D)?
It seems, that with these options, a further vote is redundant.
Not quite true. My interpritation would be that if the member met the criteria, then they would become eligable for the vote to see if they could then become Admin.

I was pondering the qualitative measure as well. I am sure it would be reletivly easy to put together a standard by which people can in thier own minds make the decision when it comes to vote.

Simple things like ;
a) Does the member make 'spam posts'?
b) Do such posts add to the community or detract from topics of threads?
c) Are they agressive (or passive aggressive)?

That sort of stuff. This would be something to work out later when we know the process, but it would be useful to the members as a whole, just to have some sort of guidance on making a decision and indeed putting people forward to start with.

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You can paste the poll and start voting now.

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Question 1:

#1= Yes

Question 2:

#1= E
#2= F
#3= A
#4= C
#5= B
#6= D

Question 3:

#1= Yes

Question 4:

#2 = B

Question 5:

#1 = Yes

Question 6:

#1 =Yes

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Question 1:
To serve as an administrator a member should be eighteen years of age,

Select:
#1= Yes

Question 2:
B. have been a member for six months with a post count of 500

Please Rank your preferences, with #1 being the most preferred:
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C
#4= D
#5= E
#6= F

Question 3:
and have spent enough time on the experimental board to demonstrate an ability to perform the routine functions of administration.

Select:
#1= Yes

Question 4:

#1 = A

Question 5:
#1 = Yes

Question 6:
#1 =Yes


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Question 1:
#1= Yes

Question 2:
#1= A
#2= E
#3= B
#4= D
#5= F
#6= C

Question 3:
#1= Yes

Question 4:
#1 = A

Question 5:
#1 = Yes

Question 6:
#1 =Yes

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Just a quick note before I vote - it is very important that people have practice before becoming an admin - HOWEVER, I don't think requiring people to practice on the experimental board should be something that they HAVE to do before being considered qualified. I've never posted or used the outside forum, and have only made two technical mistakes as an admin.

What I do think, is that admins should be required to join and practice on the experimental board between the time of them getting voted in, and the start of their admin duties.

My apologies if this has been discussed in the past couple days - I've been trying to avoid coming online so much this week.


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BALLOT
for Article 2: ¶2: Eligibility of Members to Serve as Administrators


Question 1:

#1= Yes

Question 2:

#1= A
#2= E
#3= B
#4= F
#5= C
#6= D

Question 3:

#2= No

Question 4:

#1 = A


Question 5:

#2 = No

Question 6:

#2 = No


My no vote on the last is simply based on the statement about the experimental board - otherwise, it would be a yes.


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BALLOT
for Article 2: ¶2: Eligibility of Members to Serve as Administrators

Question 1:
#1= Yes


Question 2:
#1=E
#2=B
#3=F
#4=D
#5=A
#6=C

Question 3:
#2= No


Question 4:
#1 = A

Question 5:
#1 = Yes

Question 6:
#2 = No


I'd like to echo Estel's comment on Question 6. I do not see value in requiring time on the experimental board. Otherwise I would have voted Yes on Question 6 as well.


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Question 1:
#1= Yes


Question 2:
#1= B
#2= E
#3= F
#4= D
#5= A
#6= C

Question 3:
#2= No

Question 4:
#1 = A


Question 5:
#1 = Yes


Question 6:
#2 = No

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for Article 2: ¶2: Eligibility of Members to Serve as Administrators

Question 1:
To serve as an administrator a member should be eighteen years of age,
#1= Yes

Question 2:
#1= E. have been a member for six months while maintaining a continuous, visible, and contributory presence on the board
#2= A. have been a member for six months with a post count of 250
#3= B. have been a member for six months with a post count of 500
#4= F. have been a member for one year while maintaining a continuous, visible, contributory presence on the board
#5= D. have been a member for one year with a post count of 500
#6= C. have been a member for one year with a post count of 250

Question 3:
and have spent enough time on the experimental board to demonstrate an ability to perform the routine functions of administration.

Select:
#1= Yes

Question 4:
A. The same person may serve as administrator more than once, but not in two consecutive terms

Select:
#1 = A

Question 5:
A member may not begin a term of office while participating in any capacity in an Arbitration involving a current Administrator or a Hearing on a Ban.

Select:
#1 = Yes

Question 6:
Registered members as of March 12, 2005 are eligible to serve as administrators providing they have spent enough time on the experimental board to demonstrate an ability to perform the routine functions of administration and are not participating in any capacity in an Arbitration involving a current Administrator or a Hearing on a Ban.

Select:
#1 =Yes

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My votes ;)


Question 1:
To serve as an administrator a member should be eighteen years of age,

#1= Yes

Question 2:
A. have been a member for six months with a post count of 250
B. have been a member for six months with a post count of 500
C. have been a member for one year with a post count of 250
D. have been a member for one year with a post count of 500
E. have been a member for six months while maintaining a continuous, visible, and contributory presence on the board
F. have been a member for one year while maintaining a continuous, visible, contributory presence on the board

Please Rank your preferences, with #1 being the most preferred:
#1= F
#2= E
#3= B
#4= D
#5= C
#6= A

Question 3:
and have spent enough time on the experimental board to demonstrate an ability to perform the routine functions of administration.

#1=Yes

Question 4:
A. The same person may serve as administrator more than once, but not in two consecutive terms

B. The same person may serve as administrator more than once, but not twice in a twelve month period

Select:
#1 = A


Question 5:
A member may not begin a term of office while participating in any capacity in an Arbitration involving a current Administrator or a Hearing on a Ban.

#1 = Yes


Question 6:
Registered members as of March 12, 2005 are eligible to serve as administrators providing they have spent enough time on the experimental board to demonstrate an ability to perform the routine functions of administration and are not participating in any capacity in an Arbitration involving a current Administrator or a Hearing on a Ban.

#2 = No

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Question 1:
#1= Yes

Question 2:
#1= D
#2= C
#3= B
#4= A
#5= F
#6= E

Question 3:
#2= No

Question 4:
#1 = A

Question 5:
#1 = Yes

Question 6:
#2 = No--because of Estel's point about the experimental board provision. The other requirements are OK.


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