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Griffon64
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Sure! Amended post accordingly.

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Question 1:
1. An Admin cannot be removed from office without due process.

A. Yes


Question 2:
2. Except for those special cases listed, no single violation or act of negligence will be sufficient to remove an admin from office. If a hearing is convened, a pattern of repeated violations or negligence damaging to the board must be shown, and an admin must have received warnings and Formal Complaints.

A. Yes

Question 3:
3. When an admin resigns or is removed from office, a new admin is selected to complete the term of office.

A. Yes


Question 4: Grounds for Warnings


SELECT ONE:

C. I do not accept grounds 1,3,5.
Question 5: Procedure for Warnings



B. I do not acccept step #2.
Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained



B. The record of warnings is maintained in a thread in the admin view post only section of the admin forum during the term of the admin in question, after which it is deleted.





Question 7: Ground for Formal Complaints

1. Three warnings for the same action or omission.

2. Being absent from the board for more than two weeks and failing to notify the other admins in advance to arrange for a temporary admin.

3. Deliberate unilateral actions for which the by-laws require a majority of admins to agree, or any other deliberate and direct violation of the by laws.

4. Failing to convene and oversee an arbitration when required, or refusing to convene a hearing on a ban when this is necessary.

SELECT ONE:
A. I accept all four grounds for Formal Complaints


Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints


SELECT ONE:


D. I accept Option B except for Step #2

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints



A. Six months

Question 10: Penalty for Formal Complaints

During the time that Formal Complaints are on record, the member may not serve as temp admin or begin a new term of office as full admin.

A. Yes




Question 11: Grounds for Removal of an Admin




A. I accept all four grounds for removal

Question 12: Procedure for Removal of an Admin


C. I reject Provision #2

Questions 13 through 19: Penalties for Removal of an Admin

An admin can be removed from office and barred from holding office in the future for a length of time commensurate with the offense. All penalties must be longer than three months because admins cannot serve consecutive terms anyway.

Questions 13: Pattern of Absences and Failure to Respond

B. Other than one year 9 months

Questions 14: Extreme Abuse of Power
A. 1 year


Questions 15: Desertion
A. 1 year


Questions 16: Breach of Privacy

C. other 2 years

Questions 17: Access to the admin panel

B. one year


Questions 18: Encouraging criminal behavior
A. 1 year


Question 19: The offices that currently exist are Mayor and Administrator. Should a member barred from holding office also be barred from serving on a jury?



C. I wish to discuss this question after we know what kinds of juries exist,
and amend this article accordingly at a later date

Question 20: We have a paragraph about admins who have to leave office for RL reasons and we don’t know where to put it or what to call it.





C. Give this provision it’s own paragraph: Article 2, ¶9 and title it “When Resignation is Required,” because it does not belong in the paragraph that deals with things an Admin might do wrong.

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To quote Bilbo Baggins, I've been putting this off for far too long....


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Article 2: ¶8 When is an Admin Removed from Office

Question 1: A. Yes

Question 2:
A. Yes

Question 3:
A. Yes

Question 4: Grounds for Warnings
A. I accept all five grounds for warnings, with 72 hour limit to absences

Question 5: Procedure for Warnings
A. I accept all seven steps of the procedure

Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained
D. The record of warnings is maintained in a thread in the admin view post only section of the admin forum during the term of the admin in question, after which it is deleted. A member who makes a complaint is told if it resulted in a warning or not. [So warnings in effect are no longer private.]

Question 7: Ground for Formal Complaints
A. I accept all four grounds for Formal Complaints

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints
C. I accept Option B as it is written

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints
A. Six months

Question 10: Penalty for Formal Complaints
A. Yes

Question 11: Grounds for Removal of an Admin
A. I accept all four grounds for removal

Question 12: Procedure for Removal of an Admin
A. I accept both provisions

Questions 13: Pattern of Absences and Failure to Respond
A. 1 year

Questions 14: Extreme Abuse of Power
A. 1 year

Questions 15: Desertion
A. 1 year

Questions 16: Breach of Privacy
B. one year

Questions 17: Access to the admin panel
B. one year

Questions 18: Encouraging criminal behavior
B. Other than one year [#] fill in the number you prefer
I disagree with this aspect so I cannot agree on a term

Question 19: The offices that currently exist are Mayor and Administrator. Should a member barred from holding office also be barred from serving on a jury?
B. No

Question 20: We have a paragraph about admins who have to leave office for RL reasons and we don’t know where to put it or what to call it.
D.
“Incoming admins must agree to resign if at any time in their term they will be away from the board for a continuous period longer than four full weeks, because it is not possible to replace them with a temporary admin. Such a resignation will not affect their eligibility to serve as a full admin in the future or as a temp admin at any time, but their name will return to the bottom of the roster of full admins as if they had served their term. If an admin faces this circumstance and does not resign, then this is considered Grounds for Removal.”

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Griff,

...amended post...

Thanks. I don't care if you post it here, I just can't be the one who remembers it for later. :)

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Question 1: A

Question 2: A

Question 3: A

Question 4: A

Question 5: B (6)

Question 6: C

Question 7: A

Question 8: B (5)

Question 9: B

Question 10: A

Question 11: A

Question 12: B (1)

Question 13: A

Question 14: B Infinite

Question 15: B Infinite

Question 16: B

Question 17: B

Question 18: A

Question 19: C

Question 20: D


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1. A
2. A
3. A
4. C. I do not accept grounds #3, but accept all others
5. B. I do not acccept steps 5 and 6
6. C
7. A
8. B. I accept Option A except for Step 5
9. A
10. A
11. A
12. A
13. A
14. B - forever
15. B - forever
16. B
17. B
18. A
19. C
20. D

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VOTING CLOSED

Faramond will post results later today when we have a chance to do the count together

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Faramond
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Here are the raw vote totals. 14 people voted, but there are 16 eligible voters, so an option had to receive 9 votes to get a clear majority of eligible voters.

So questions 6, 8, 9, 14, and 19 do not have winners.

Questions 6, 8, and 9 will be run off, and 14 and 19 will be postponed to the judicial part of the convention.


1. A-14

2. A-13 B-1

3. A-14

4. A-12 C-2

5. A-10 B-4

6. A-5 B-3 C-3 D-3

7. A-14

8. A-7 C-3 B-2 D-1 E-1

9. A-8 B-4 C-2

10. A-14

11. A-13 B-1

12. A-11 C-2 B-1

13. A-11 B-3

14. A-8 B-6

15. A-9 B-5

16. B-10 C-3 A-1

17. B-12 C-2

18. A-11 B-3

19. C-7 A-6 B-1

20. D-11 C-3


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And here is the text of what we've been able to approve so far, for your review before I put it into the charter:

Article 2: ¶8 When is an Administrator Removed from Office
• An Admin cannot be removed from office without due process.
• Except for those special cases listed, no single violation or act of negligence will be sufficient to remove an admin from office. If a hearing is convened, a pattern of repeated violations or negligence damaging to the board must be shown, and an admin must have received warnings and Formal Complaints.
• When an admin resigns or is removed from office, a new admin is selected to complete the term of office. [approved April 18, 2005]

Grounds for Warnings to an Administrator
• Being absent from the board for more than 72 hours without notifying the other admins, except in personal emergency or computer failure.
• Failing to repond in timely fashion to business-related emails and PM's from members and other admins
• Posting hidden at times when the admin is needed to be visible.
• Special treatment of posters or arbitrary enforcement of the by-laws.
• Conduct Unbecoming an Administrator, such as discourtesy or intimidation, or attempting to influence poster behavior on other messageboards. [approved April 18, 2005]

Procedures for Warnings to an Administrator
• The action or omission must be brought to the attention of the current
admins.
• Two admins must agree that a warning is justified.
• These two admins will notify the admin under complaint and give that person a chance to explain themselves. If the explanation is satisfactory, nothing more need be done.
• If two current admins still believe a warning is justified, they will write briefly the reason and forward this to the Mayor by email.
• If the current admins are in disagreement as to whether action is required, no warning will be filed.
• Warnings are kept on the record by [not yet determined]
• Warnings are purged after the admin leaves office. [approved April 18, 2005]

Grounds for Formal Complaints Against an Administrator
• Three warnings for the same action or omission.
• Being absent from the board for more than two weeks and failing to notify the other admins in advance to arrange for a temporary admin.
• Deliberate unilateral actions for which the by-laws require a majority of admins to agree, or any other deliberate and direct violation of the by laws.
• Failing to convene and oversee an arbitration when required, or refusing to convene a hearing on a ban when this is necessary. [approved April 18, 2005]

• Procedure for Formal Complaints Against an Administrator [not yet determined]

• Time Lmit for Formal Complaints Against an Administrator [not yet determined]

• Penalty for Formal Complaints Against an Administrator: During the time that Formal Complaints are on record, the member may not serve as temp admin or begin a new term of office as full admin. [approved April 18, 2005]

Grounds for Removal of an Administrator
• Desertion: An administrator who deserts the board and cannot be contacted for a period of 30 days should be removed from office.
• Incoming admins must agree to resign if they will be away from the board for a period longer than than four full weeks, because it is not possible to replace them with a temporary admin. Such a resignation will not affect their eligibility to serve as a full admin in the future or as a temp admin at any time, but their name will return to the bottom of the roster of full admins as if they had served their term. If an admin faces this circumstance and does not resign, then this is considered Grounds for Removal.
• Pattern of Absences, Failure to Respond and Other Warnings: If a series of warnings or violations results in three Formal Complaints, the other admins may consider whether to convene a hearing to remove that admin. If five Formal Complaints have been filed, a hearing is required.
• Extreme Abuse of Power: a hearing may be convened if an admin deliberately and maliciously bans a member who is entitled to a hearing or suspends posting rights without due process, except in the course of exercising extraordinary powers.
• An Immediate Hearing is required if:
••An admin reveals private information obtained as a result of their office, such as profile information that members have made hidden or the contents of secret ballots cast by PM or email
•• or Gives another poster access to the admin panel
•• or Uses the board to boast about criminal behaviors and/or encourage other posters to engage in them [approved April 18, 2005]

Procedure for Removal of an Administrator
• Two admins must agree that the charges against an admin are sufficiently serious and not manufactured, and that a hearing is justified. The admin who is considered for removal will be notified by PM and by email, and the call for a hearing will be posted in the Jury Room.
• The posting rights of the admin in question will be restricted to the Jury Room and Admin powers will be revoked for the duration of the hearing. [approved April 18, 2005][/color] [The convention has yet to consider what form this hearing will take.]

Penalties Associated with Removal of an Administrator
• An administrator can be removed from office and barred from holding office in the future for a length of time commensurate with the offense.
•• Pattern of Absences, Failure to Respond and Other Warnings: One year
•• Desertion: One year
•• Breach of Privacy: One year
•• Giving another person access to the Administrator Panel: One year
•• Encouraging criminal behavior: One year
[approved April 18, 2005]

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YAY! You know, I'm really feeling we're getting somewhere.

Thanks Jny and Faramond for the awesome amount of work you've been pouring into here. And thanks also to all the other steadfasts :love:

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Okay to lock this, Jn?


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Oy!

Shouldn't you ask me too?

I'm the thread starter!

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:oops:

I should certainly have asked you. I'm just too used to asking Jn.

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Faramond, may I lock this thread?





:help:

I sent an email full of questions to the wrong client today, too. . . .

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Really, you were right to ask Jn.

As far as I know you can lock it, but she might have some crazy use for it yet that I don't know about. :D


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Well, I still should have followed protocol.

But I'm afraid I don't have time for a proper seppuku until tomorrow. . . .

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don't lock this one yet, please!

Ha! Great that you asked, though it wouldn't have been a terrible big deal.

After the runoff vote is finished, I'll update the text in the above post so that people can review it. Then it can be locked . I'll leave a note here when I'm done.

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I've been waiting until you tell me.

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See!

I knew she'd have some crazy use for it.

Also, I'm going to hold a seance in here to see if I can talk to James Madison.


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Oh, but he'll go on so tiresomely. . . . and here we are doing our best. . . .

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