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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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And mine. And Prim's. And Holby's. And Nin's. Not to mention this statement from the Lady of Last Chances herself:
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I'm wondering at this point if it makes sense to make one of the choices on this ballot: Overturn the earlier provision that requires a vote of the membership and remove it from the charter.
Yes, it makes sense. :)


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Primula_Baggins wrote:

A board member with secret knowledge of something that would make someone ineligible can PM an admin or the mayor--there must be someone trustworthy among those 6 or 8 people.
Isn't that the "speak now or forever hold your peace"-system that Jny had suggested initially?
Sounds good to me, too.

And what's all that talk about Oceania about? :scratch

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th--

Ever read 1984? :)

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Ok. I slept on this and decided to add a "no vote" option to this ballot, with the procedure described by Nin as the alternative.

I have to sit inside a word document for a short while and think about the order in which things happen in such a case, and who does them, so that the ballot won't be goofy, but I'll have something different up for review within the hour.

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:hug: This is hard stuff, jny.

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Axordil wrote:
th--

Ever read 1984? :)
Nope! :D

(But I hope it's not the direction in which we are heading here! :Q )

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th, 1984 is a lovely, depressing book. It's been years since I last read it, but at one point Big Brother's government suddenly forms an alliance with a former enemy and attacks a former friend--and all the propaganda goes on as if the new alliance and the new enmity have always existed. "We have always been at war with Oceania." Rewriting history.

This is not the direction in which we're heading--even if we do end up changing our minds about one thing or another! :D

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People, I have revised the Ballot for Review in the first post. It is now a two-part ballot. Part One is in strict ballot form, and Part two is still in informal form. I will edit it shortly.

The text for part one - overturning the vote - is divided into six questions, so it may be hard to follow the whole procedure and what choices are contained in it. Accordingly, I am posting the full procedure here, undivided, with places where options are inserted shown in blue.

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The Mayor is held accountable for determining what constitutes a ‘continuous, visible, and contributory presence,’ approaching members so qualified to obtain their agreement to serve, and entering the names of those who volunteer into the pool of admins-in-training. That roster will be prominently posted, and volunteers will remain on the training roster for at least [ten] days.

While volunteers are on the training roster, all members are responsible for reviewing the roster to determine whether they know any good reason why a particular volunteer would not make a good administrator and should not immediately enter the pool of full admins when their training is complete. If no member expresses a concern or objection volunteers will enter the pool of full admins without delay. If a member does have a concern or objection to a particular volunteer, these must be sent by email to the [Mayor][Admins account, where they may also be forwarded to the Mayor] so that the [Mayor][current Admins][Mayor together with current Admins] can review them for merit.

If the concern or objection involves a serious violation of by-laws for which a formal action of some kind is required, then the volunteer will not enter the pool of full admins until the issue is resolved. The Mayor and current Admins together will inform the volunteer immediately, attempt to verify the merit of the accusation insofar as possible, and if it has merit they will initiate whatever procedure is called for in the by-laws. If exonerated, the volunteer may enter the pool of full admins when training is complete. If restrictions are placed on the volunteer as a result of the procedure, they will not enter the pool of full admins until the by-laws allow them to do so.

If the concern or objection involves matters of courtesy or unfamiliarity with certain forums, or anything else affecting only the comfort level of the members, [the Mayor][the Mayor or an appropriate admin] will explain the problem to the volunteer as tactfully as possible and suggest ways that their posting might become more “visible and contributory” before they enter the pool of full admins.

The Mayor will retain record of these concerns and objections and make sure that any full Admin who is coaching the volunteer knows of them as well. When the volunteer expresses his/her readiness to enter the pool of admins, including their correction of any prior deficiency, and the full Admin who has been coaching them agrees, the Mayor will send an email to any member who has raised a prior objection and ask permission to lift the objection, explaining what has been done to rectify the problem. If the member still objects, they must explain why and the issue will be revisited as before. If no response is received within [seven] days, the objection will be lifted and the volunteer may enter the pool of full admins. The pool of full admins will be posted prominently.”

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Jnyusa, you truly are a remarkable person.

I approve of the ballot.


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Jn, what a monster. And yet again you've laid it out clearly, tugged it straight, and picked out the essential questions to be answered. Somehow in your hands it makes so much more sense. You are indeed remarkable.

I think it's excellent. I even understand the "Prim Method" now. :blackeye

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I have to read that again - but do I understand correctly:

overturn would mean give up a vote -

and retain would mean to keep a vote?

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Nin - yes, that's right.

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Sigh of relief - I needed a confirmation to head for bed with a quiet mind.

Will ponder overnight.

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I like that! :)

(And although I looked up "roster", I hadn't seen the word until we started using it here, and my mind keeps reading "rooster". :D )

Prim, thanks explaining about Oceania! :D

Not a bad thing that we can also change our minds - realise when we went into a wrong direction, really. :blackeye

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Not a bad thing that we can also change our minds - realise when we went into a wrong direction, really.
I didn't go in the wrong direction. You guys pulled me in the wrong direction. :P

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I think in theory there should be a vote, but in practice it's going to be so complicated that we should probably go with the overturn and make the objection process rather simple.


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Well I think every Admin should have to spend ten days sitting on MariaHobbits' rooster.

Really, if you were willing to do that, what other qualification would you need?

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What do you think, folks? Can this ballot go for a vote at this point?

We've been discussing the issue for a week.

There's two other votes that will start tonight (midnight EST). How about I add this to it.

Jn

edit: OK - executive decision. :) I've posted in the voting schedule that this vote will begin at Midnight EST (5:00AM GMT) and will send out the email.

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Good ballot job on a very complex issue. :)

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