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Jnyusa
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Posted: Mon 18 Apr , 2005 6:08 pm
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Simple Majority Not Obtained
Question 19:
The offices that currently exist are Mayor and Administrator. Should a member barred from holding office also be barred from serving on a jury?

Questions 14: Penalties for Removal of an Admin in the case of Extreme Abuse of Power six of the 14 voters felt that one year was two short.

Both of these questions will be deferred to the next section of the agenda concerning juries and other ‘sentencing’ issues.

The following questions require a Runoff Vote because a simply majority was not obtained and a runoff is a sensible solution.

****RUNOFF BALLOT: Voting will begin Monday (today) at 8:00PM GMT (4:00PM EST) and last 24 hours

Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained
A. The record of warnings is maintained by the Mayor and does not become public unless it aggregates to a Formal Complaint.

B. The record of warnings is maintained in a thread in the admin view post only section of the admin forum during the term of the admin in question, after which it is deleted.

C. The record of warnings is maintained by the Mayor. A member who makes a complaint is told if it resulted in a warning or not. [So warnings in effect are no longer private.]

D. The record of warnings is maintained in a thread in the admin view post only section of the admin forum during the term of the admin in question, after which it is deleted. A member who makes a complaint is told if it resulted in a warning or not. [So warnings in effect are no longer private.]

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1=
#2=
#3=
#4=

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints
Option A contains the following steps:
1. The action or omission that is the basis of the Formal Complaint must be brought to the attention of the current admins.
2. Two admins must agree that a Formal Complaint is justified.
3. These two will notify the admin under complaint and give that person a chance to explain themselves. If the explanation is satisfactory, nothing more need be done.
4. If the two current admins still believe a Formal Complaint is justified, they will write briefly the reason and forward this to the Mayor by email.
5. If the current admins are in disagreement as to whether action is required, the Formal Complaint will be filed but it will be marked “Disputed.” Disputed complaints are purged when the admin’s term of office ends and will not bar them from serving as a temporary admin.

Option B contains the following steps:
1. The action or omission that is the basis of the Formal Complaint must be brought to the attention of the current admins.
2. Two admins must agree that the matter justifies a Formal Complaint rather than a warning.
3. An arbitration for Formal Complaints will be convened to determined whether or not a Formal Complaint should be filed. the convention would then have to consider what form this arbitration should take when they consider the judicial part of the agenda.

A. I accept Option A as it is written
B. I accept Option A except for point 5
C. I accept Option B as it is written
D. I accept Option B except for point 2
Notes: (1) A simple majority was able to choose, so I have eliminated the postponement option. If you cannot choose, abstain from voting on this question. (2) Only points to which an exception was stated have been included as choices.

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1=
#2=
#3=
#4=

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints
Formal Complaints are posted where all members can read them and are kept on the record after term of office ends for a period of [A, B, C below] after which they expire and are removed from the record.

A. Six months
B. Nine months
C. One year

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1=
#2=
#3=

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Nin
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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C
#4= D

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1=A
#2=B
#3=C
#4=D

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1= A
#2=B
#3=C

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Thanks, Nin! I'm a few minutes late :) but i got your ballot

VOTING IS NOW OPEN

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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C
#4= D

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints
PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1= C
#2= B
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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained
#1= D
#2= B
#3= C
#4= A

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C
#4= D

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C

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Question 6:
#1= B
#2= D
#3= C
#4= A

Question 8:
#1= A.
#2= B.
#3= C
#4= D

Question 9:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C

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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1= D
#2= B
#3= C
#4= A

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1= A
#2= B
#3=
#4=

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints
PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1= B
#2= C
#3= A



The vote on question 8 was strange, I think - having options with just the things that had been objected to? I can't say why it was strange, but it seemed odd - LOL - sorry. Guess I'm just wondering how this vote came about. :)

I mean, in option A it says: Two admins must agree that a Formal Complaint is justified.
And in B: Two admins must agree that the matter justifies a Formal Complaint rather than a warning.

When I voted the first time round, I took those to be essentially the same.
But here we have the option to exclude it in option B, while it was accepted in option A. How is that possible?

(I mean, if someone voted "B, but without point 2", I guess they would also have voted "A, but without point 2", only they couldn't because there was just one vote. So, if A wins now, they won't have had the opportunity to object to point 2.
Or maybe I'm confused about the voting process. :) )

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LOL, I think I have a real d'oh-question! :roll: No idea why I didn't think of asking earlier. So, it's too late for the vote, but still, out of curiosity:
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The record of warnings is maintained in a thread in the admin view post only section of the admin forum during the term of the admin in question, after which it is deleted.
What IS the view post only section of the admin forum?

All I know is that the admin forum is public, and that there's a section where e-mail addies and other sensitive data are stored - but I had no idea that this section had a discussion forum, too! :Q

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Hobby, that is kind of a discussion forum, for the admins. It's "read only" for everyone else. The "sensitive" sections are not visible to anyone but admins. (Alas, no thrilling dossiers on anyone--just some old stored threads and a couple of email passwords.)

So members will be able to read the record of warnings, but will not be able to post comments about it, at least not there.

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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained


PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1=B
#2= A
#3= C
#4= D

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1= B
#2= D
#3=A
#4=C

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints

#1= A
#2=B
#3=C

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Primula_Baggins wrote:
Hobby, that is kind of a discussion forum, for the admins. It's "read only" for everyone else. The "sensitive" sections are not visible to anyone but admins. (Alas, no thrilling dossiers on anyone--just some old stored threads and a couple of email passwords.)

So members will be able to read the record of warnings, but will not be able to post comments about it, at least not there.
Thanks, Prim :) - that's what I meant (a forum for discussion, but readable for all, plus invisible sensitive sections) - I just thought the "sensitive" sections were more of a list of data or so - not something where you could place warnings, for example - so, from Jny's description I thought there was a third variety.

I think, though, Jny meant storing them either in that third variety I was thinking of or in that sensitive section - because if they were readable by all that would mean they are not private in option B either, and I thought that's what was so important to people who wanted that option!

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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained
#1= A
#2= B
#3= D
#4= C

Question 8:
#1= A
#2= C
#3= D
#4= B

Question 9:
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C

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Question 6:
#1= A
#2= C
#3= D
#4= B

Question 8:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C
#4= D

Question 9:
#1= C
#2= B
#3= A


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Question 6:
#1= C
#2= D
#3= A
#4= B

Question 8:
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C
#4= D

Question 9:
#1= B
#2= C
#3= A


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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained

#1=A
#2=C
#3=B
#4=D

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints

#1=A
#2=B
#3=C
#4=D

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints

#1=A
#2=B
#3=C

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6:

#1=D
#2=C
#3=B
#4= A

8:

#1=A
#2=B
#3=C
#4= D

9:

#1=A
#2=B
#3=C

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Question 6: How is the record of warnings maintained

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1=C
#2=D
#3=B
#4=A

Question 8: Procedure for Formal Complaints
Option A contains the following steps:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES, with #1 being most preferred
#1=D
#2=C
#3=A
#4=B

Question 9: Time Limit for Formal Complaints
Formal Complaints are posted where all members can read them and are kept on the record after term of office ends for a period of [A, B, C below] after which they expire and are removed from the record.

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1=B
#2=C
#3=A

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Many thanks to Faramond for his help in watching the polls and counting the votes.

We have on both votes a situation that we have not confronted before, and I've decided to make an executive decision and go with the count we have, or else we'll be voting forever and my time is not infinite.

On this runoff vote, we obtained a majority for one of the questions, but only a plurality for the other two. Until now I have tried to ensure a simple majority, but in this case we've voted twice and cannot obtain better than a plurality. Meanwhile committee members are fleeing the process and we have to move forward. So we'll go with the plurality as such and see what the members say.

The results were as follows:

Question 6: A = 7; D = 6
Question 8: A = 9; B = 3
Question 9: A = 6; B = 7

Therefore:

• The record of warnings is maintained by the Mayor and does not become public unless it aggregates to a Formal Complaint.
• In the Procedure for formal complaints, Option A is accepted in its entirety
• Formal Complaints will be kept on file for 9 months.

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