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Leoba
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Question 1:
A. I approve this text

Question 2:
Members may start a thread in that forum to resolve a personal dispute.
A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1= C
#2= A
#3= B

Question 4:
A. I approve this text

Question 5:
A. I prefer text A

Question 6:
#1= B
#2= C
#3= A

Question 7:
A. I approve this text

Question 8:
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1= E
#2= F
#3= D
#4= B
#5= C
#6= A

Question 11:
#1= E
#2= C
#3= D
#4= A
#5= B

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Question 1:
A. I approve this text

Question 2:
A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1= A
#2= C
#3= B

Question 4:
A. I approve this text

Question 5:
B. I prefer text B

Question 6:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C

Question 7:
A. I approve this text

Question 8:
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1= F
#2= D
#3= B
#4= C
#5= A
#6= E

Question 11:
#1= C
#2= B
#3= A
#4= D
#5=E


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BALLOT

Question 1:
A. I approve this text

Question 2:
A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1= C
#2= A
#3= B

Question 4:
A. I approve this text

Question 5:
B. I prefer text B

Question 6:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C

Question 7:
A. I approve this text

Question 8:
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1= F
#2= D
#3= B
#4= C
#5= A
#6= E

Question 11:
#1= C
#2= B
#3= A
#4= D
#5= E


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Cerin
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Jnyusa, thanks for considering the change I suggested, and for handling it as you did.

I agree with you, that the change would make the policy more a suggestion than a rule; I had not really considered that in my eagerness to reconcile the two questions in my mind.

When I was following the committee's work as a non-participant, I found it helpful to have the text of the questions being voted on copied along with the votes, so I've done it that way, and bolded my votes for ease in picking them out. Please let me know if you would rather I not do it this way in future votes.


Question 1:
The Bike Racks Forum is a read and write forum available to all members. It is used for:
• resolving disputes between individual members when these disputes do not involve a violation of board rules
• off-topic discussions that are derailing a thread but do not warrant a thread of their own
• restricting posters who have provided invalid email addresses

A. I approve this text


Question 2:
Members may start a thread in that forum to resolve a personal dispute.

PLEASE SELECT ONE:

A. I approve this text


Question 3:
A. Admins at their discretion may split quarrelsome or disruptive posts and move them to the Bike Racks;
B. Admins under the following specific conditions may split quarrelsome or disruptive posts: followed by list;
C. Admins at their discretion may split quarrelsome or disruptive posts and move them to the Bike Racks if they threaten to impinge on member rights

#1=A
#2=C
#3=B



Question 4:
Bike Rack threads should be titled with the name of the expected participants so that the title is neutral and easy for participants to find.

PLEASE SELECT ONE:

A. I approve this text


Question 5:
A. A thread in the Bike Racks forum is restricted to those members directly involved in the interaction, plus whomever else they designate as participants. Those who have initiated the thread may request that Administrators delete the posts of non-designated members who enter the thread.
B. A thread in the Bike Racks forum is intended for those members directly involved in the interaction, plus whomever else they designate as participants. Those who have initiated the thread may request that Administrators delete the posts of non-designated members who enter the thread.

A. I prefer text A


Question 6:"Uninvolved members should consider carefully before posting comments that they consider to be helpful without the permission of discussants. Sometimes even the most benevolent intervention serves to exacerbate the situation when it is made without the parties' consent or desire."

A. I would like this text to appear following the text in Question 5 in both the charter and in the Jury Room Stickies
B. I would like this text to appear in the Jury Room Stickies but not in the Charter
C. I would not like this text to appear in either the Charter or the Jury room stickies

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1=C
#2=B
#3=A



Question 7:When members involved in the dispute feel it is resolved, they may notify an administrator to lock the thread. Administrators should confirm with all parties that the discussion is concluded before locking the thread.

PLEASE SELECT ONE:

A. I approve this text


Question 8:If members are having difficulty resolving their dispute they may ask for a mediator. There should be no more than one mediator, agreed upon by the discussants, and chosen from among those jury pool members who have indicated their willingness to serve in this capacity. Service as a mediator in a particular dispute is voluntary.

PLEASE SELECT ONE:

A. I approve this text


Question 9:The role of the mediator is to offer an objective view of the dispute and help the parties come to an agreement. The mediation may take place in private, by PM or email, if the parties so desire. When the dispute is concluded, the mediator should make sure that all parties are aware that the discussion is concluding, and then notify an administrator to lock the thread.

PLEASE SELECT ONE:

A. I approve this text


Question 10: please read choices carefully because they are lettered differently from before to break out the time choices

A. Locked threads in the Bike Racks are deleted automatically after two weeks
B. Locked threads in the Bike Racks are deleted automatically after two weeks unless the posters ask that the thread remain
C. Locked threads in the Bike Racks are deleted automatically after 30 days
D. Locked threads in the Bike Racks are deleted automatically after 30 days unless the posters ask that the thread remain
E. Locked threads in the Bike Racks are not deleted at all [clause regarding locked threads would not appear in the charter]
F. Locked threads in the Bike Racks are deleted only if the posters request it .

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:

#1=F
#2=D
#3=B
#4=E
#5=C
#6=A


Question 11:

A. Bike Rack threads may be summarized and placed in the Archives with the members' names removed if a mediator or Administrator feels that aspects of the discussion might help future members learn the culture of the board. This requires the permission of the discussants and may be done even if the locked thread remains on the board.
B. If Bike Rack threads are automatically deleted, they may be summarized and placed in the Archives with the members' names removed if a mediator or Administrator feels that aspects of the discussion might help future members learn the culture of the board. This requires the permission of the discussants.
C. Bike Rack threads may be summarized and placed in the Archives with the members' names removed if a mediator or Administrator feels that aspects of the discussion might help future members learn the culture of the board. This may be done even if the locked thread remains on the board and does not require the permission of the discussants.
D. If Bike Rack threads are automatically deleted, they may be summarized and placed in the Archives with the members' names removed if a mediator or Administrator feels that aspects of the discussion might help future members learn the culture of the board. This does not require the permission of the discussants.
E. Bike Rack threads will not be placed in the Archives


PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred.

#1=D
#2=B
#3=C
#4=A
#5=E


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Jnyusa
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Cerin,

It's actually easier for me if the questions are not written out. I keep the actual ballot in one file and the votes in a different file for ease of transferring the actual votes to the vote tally spreadsheet.

But don't change it now. I already copied your votes into a template.
Thanks for asking.

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Question 1:

A. I approve this text


Question 2:

A. I approve this text


Question 3:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:

#1= C
#2= B
#3= A

Question 4:

A. I approve this text


Question 5:

B. I prefer text B


Question 6:


PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C

Question 7:

A. I approve this text


Question 8:

A. I approve this text


Question 9:

A. I approve this text


Question 10: please read choices carefully because they are lettered differently from before to break out the time choices

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:

#1= F
#2= B
#3= D
#4=
#5=
#6=

I don't want A/C/E at all, so I can't possibly rank them - hope it's ok to just leave them out (I remember Voronwe did that too in a previous vote) :)

Question 11:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred.

#1= A
#2= B
#3= C
#4= D
#5= E

Not sure if that's consitent voting: I vote A if my votes in question 10 win, but if automatical deletion wins, and it's therefore a choice between B and D, I prefer B. I don't really want C/D/E at all, so I didn't want to put C above B - maybe I should have better left out C, D and E like in the one above?

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Question 1:
A. I approve this text

Question 2:
A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1= C
#2= A
#3= B

Question 4:
A. I approve this text


Question 5:
A. I prefer text A

Question 6:
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C

Question 7:
A. I approve this text


Question 8:
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1= A
#2= C
#3= B
#4= D
#5= F
#6= E


Question 11:

#1= E
#2= B
#3= C
#4= A
#5=D

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IdylleSeethes ballot

Question 1:
A. I approve this text

Question 2:
A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1= C
#2= A
#3= B

Question 4:
A. I approve this text

Question 5:
A. I prefer text A

Question 6:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C

Question 7:
A. I approve this text

Question 8:
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1= F
#2= D
#3= B
#4= C
#5= A
#6= E

Question 11:
#1= C
#2= B
#3= A
#4= D
#5= E

Editted to correct typo in question 5

Last edited by IdylleSeethes on Wed 04 May , 2005 2:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Question 1:

A. I approve this text

Question 2:

A. I approve this text

Question 3:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:

#1=A
#2=C
#3=B

Question 4:

A. I approve this text

Question 5:

B. I prefer text B

Question 6:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1=A
#2=B
#3=C

Question 7:

A. I approve this text

Question 8:

PLEASE SELECT ONE:

A. I approve this text

Question 9:

A. I approve this text


Question 10:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:

#1=F
#2=D
#3=B
#4=E
#5=C
#6=A

Question 11:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred.

#1=D
#2=C
#3=B
#4=A
#5=E


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Question 1:


A. I approve this text


Question 2:
B. I do not approve this text

Question 3:


#1= B
#2= C
#3= A

Question 4:

B. I do not approve this text

Question 5:


A. I prefer text A


Question 6:


PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C

Question 7

A. I approve this text


Question 8

A. I approve this text


Question 9

A. I approve this text


Question 10



#1= F
#2= E
#3= D
#4= C
#5= B
#6= A

... to preserve the privacy of the members [inclusion of this text depends on whether threads are deleted or not.]

Question 11:


#1= E
I can't vote for any of the others.

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TORN
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Posted: Wed 04 May , 2005 2:03 am
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Question 1:
A. I approve this text

Question 2:
A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1=A
#2=C
#3=B

Question 4:
B. I do not approve this text

(I don't think someone should be putting anyone on the spot by putting his or her name in the title -- in fact, had I thought of it earlier, I would have suggested that an alternative would be to prohibit the naming of the disputing parties in the title)

Question 5:
C. I do not want either of these statements in the charter

Question 6:
#1=B
#2=C
#3=A

Question 7:
A. I approve this text

Question 8:
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1=A
#2=C
#3=B
#4=D
#5=F
#6=E

Question 11:
#1=E
#2=B
#3=A
#4=D
#5=C


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Idylle -

On Question #5 you have:

B. I prefer text A

But option B is "I prefer text B" .

Could you look at the ballot again and tell me if you want option A or option B for Q. 5?

Truehobbit -

For those questions where you said you really didn't want the other options, I left them out of the tally but I kept the record of your comments on the vote sheet.

Thanks,
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Jnyusa,

:oops: I changed it.

I'm sure it was the trauma of disagreeing with Prim.

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There are special counseling programs for that, IS. I can send you some brochures. :)

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1. A

2. A

3.
#1=C
#2=B
#3=A

4. A

5. B

6.
#1=B
#2=A
#3=C

7. A

8. A

9. A

10.
#1=F
#2=E
#3=D
#4=B
#5=C
#6=A

11.
#1=A
#2=B
#3=C
#4=D
#5=E

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Question 1:
A. I approve this text


Question 2:
Members may start a thread in that forum to resolve a personal dispute.

A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1=A
#2=C
#3=B

Question 4:
Bike Rack threads should be titled with the name of the expected participants so that the title is neutral and easy for participants to find.

B. I do not approve this text

...for the same reason given as TORN. Imagine suddenly finding your name in the title of a dispute thread!

Question 5:
B. I prefer text B

Question 6:

PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1=B
#2=A
#3=C

Question 7:
A. I approve this text

Question 8:
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
PLEASE RANK YOUR CHOICES with #1 being most preferred:
#1=F
#2=D
#3=B
#4=C
#5=A
#6=E

... to preserve the privacy of the members [inclusion of this text depends on whether threads are deleted or not.]

Question 11:
#1=E
#2=B
#3=A
#4=D
#5=C

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Question 1:
A. I approve this text

Question 2:
A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1= A
#2= C
#3= B

Question 4:
B. I do not approve this text

Question 5:
B. I prefer text B

Question 6:
#1= A
#2= C
#3= B

Question 7
A. I approve this text

Question 8
A. I approve this text

Question 9:
A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1= A
#2= C
#3= B
#4= D
#5= F
#6= E

Question 11:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= E
#4= C
#5=D

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Question 1: A. I approve this text

Question 2: A. I approve this text

Question 3:
#1= C
#2= A
#3= B

Question 4: A. I approve this text

Question 5: A. I prefer text A

Question 6:
#1= B
#2= A
#3= C

Question 7: A. I approve this text

Question 8: A. I approve this text

Question 9: A. I approve this text

Question 10:
#1= E
#2= F
#3= D
#4= B
#5= C
#6= A


Question 11:
#1= E
#2= C
#3= D
#4= A
#5= B

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Friends,

The vote is now closed. Alatar is offline this week, so there were seventeen committee members voting. Axordil voted by absentee ballot. I am posting the results here, and they will be official when Alandriel and Cerin confirm that they got the same count.

I will update the first post of this thread for the text that has been approved.

Question 1
A = 17
B = 0

Question 2
A = 16
B = 1

Question 3
C = 10
A = 7

Question 4
A = 13
B = 4

Question 5
B = 9
A = 7
C = 1
corrected count: my mistake

Question 6
B = 11
A = 6

Question 7
A = 17
B = 0

Question 8
A = 17
B = 0

Question 9
A = 17
B = 0

Question 10
F = 13
A = 4

Question 11
C = 9
E = 7
A = 1 (without alternates)

[edit: agh! there was a major typo in that for anyone who read it right after I posted it. Fixed now]

Once this vote is official, I will also have to rewrite the sticky thread in the Bike Racks. The text proposed by Voronwe will go in the sticky. I will post that new text also in the first post of this thread so that you can compare it to the charter text, discuss, modify, etc. before placing it back in the Bike Racks.

Jn

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I see I was the lone wolf on only one question -- what has this board come to???

One thing I don't entirely get is how the questions that asked us to rank our choices are ultimately intended to be scored. Typically, each rank would be weighted to get an over-all feel for how attractive each choice is -- for example, a choice might get no first place ranks but might be ranked by everyone as a second choice, whereas two or more other choices may split the first place votes but fall further down the list for those who did not endorse them as their first choice. I'd be interested in seeing a weighted result for those questions, even if the weighted method is not ultimately used to determine how we proceed from here.


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