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Primula_Baggins
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I would've typed it if I typed that word, but I don't. <shrug> I don't care if other people do; I just don't. The four asterisks are not seriously meant to hide anything; they just mean I don't have to type that word. And it gives people a chance to laugh.

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Let's see.

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You'd better go look in ToE, Prim... :D

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Alatar runs off to start a thread in ToE called "Prim gets down and dirty..." to see how long it lasts.....

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:salmon:

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We have serious business here! :help:

I take no further responsibility for any further silly ToE threads. Spam away, boys. :D

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May the girls spam too?

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:D The girls hardly need my permission.

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"Dirty deeds done with :spam: " ...

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SERIOUS POST--warning--SERIOUS POST

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3 months or 2 months with 3 sponsors. No discussions in the forum (which would get awkward anyway...do we really want to rebuild and then delete invite threads again?).

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Sam: PMs are pretty well impossible to police ... Unless there is something in the TOS that says ‘you can’t PM offensive or threatening messages’ so that if someone does, then there’s a hook to hang them on, then it’s open slather. (Email is caught by law, in some jurisdictions…I’m not sure about the US.)

Sam, while composing the Member Rights draft that we'll be looking at next in committee, I thought about this because PM harrassment was something the committee wanted to guard against. But the issue is difficult because the Admins can't look inside PMs (correct me if I'm wrong) and harrassment by PM becomes a he said/she said kind of issue. And it opens people to frivolous and/or vindictive accusations.

Does it help us, legally, to put a statement in the Charter that harrassment or stalking by PM is forbidden even if we can't prove it and penalize it?

Btw, regarding the policing of email, yes they can do it in the US. A friend of mine's son got a visit from the FBI because of an obscene email.

Frelga: One question I have - can/should we put somewhere in there a warning that the board is not to be used for illegal activity, etc?

It is in the Charter - in the Article that's up for ratification now, and in the Article we are presently working on.

Berhael: 3 months OR 100 posts, whatever came first - not both conditions

Berhael, we had this discussion in committee and decided that requirements like this should go with whichever is longer, not whichever is shorter. The reason being that a person can log 100 posts in 1 day, or be registered for 3 months without posting anything or knowing anyone here. The dual requirement guarantees that they are actually on the board contributing long enough to be known.

Another point for reference, 3 months and 100 posts is the requirement we decided upon for elibigility in the Jury Pool. I like to remain consistent with provisions like this ... when the same requirement is applied to several different priveleges, it becomes a de facto acknowledgement of full membership in the community.

Finally, if Imp's text is approved (are you going to vote on this?), I think it would make an excellent addition to the Charter as an article all by itself. We could paste it right it. So ... perhaps you could make sure that this vote meets the requirements for ratification and then we've killed two birds with one stone.

Ratification requirements:

• discussion for ten days (check the start date of this thread)
• vote for ten days, two weekends inclusive
• 39 people must vote for the vote to be valid
• 67% of those who vote must approve

Thank you!!

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Then 3 months.

I don't mind waiting (Einstein said one day, if I feel my last hour has come, I go to Switzerland, everything comes five years later there) but I do mind sponsoring or discussing.

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Then 3 months.

I don't mind waiting (Einstein said one day, if I feel my last hour has come, I go to Switzerland, everything comes five years later there) but I do mind sponsoring or discussing.
Exactly. The only things discussed here should be ideas and "court cases".


No would somebody go get Prim out of England again?

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Jn, about PMs—if a member is being harrassed via PM, it can be proved. The member can put a temp password on his account, log out and give the password to an admin, and let the admin see the PMs. Then of course the member would put a different password back on the account.

If things were dire enough or dangerous enough, I would consider doing that.

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Prim -

Very good to know. That gives me info I need for the next piece of the charter.

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Quick note: in the one in one centillion chance that any legal action was taken against this board, this thread would stand as solid proof of the good faith in which the (rotating) leaders and members of this board acted.

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That's comforting in a strange way. :D

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Jnyusa wrote:
Frelga: One question I have - can/should we put somewhere in there a warning that the board is not to be used for illegal activity, etc?

It is in the Charter - in the Article that's up for ratification now, and in the Article we are presently working on.
Thanks, Jnyusa. I do think we need that phrasing somewhere more prominent, so that visitors don't assume that "adult discussion" is an euphemism for something else.

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I have a problem with "adult" used as an adjective in this context. I suggest avoiding it, because it is so often used to describe porn ("adult films"). Rather than "adult discussion," could we call it "discussion of topics of interest to adults"?

Or am I being silly?

It's just—ToE isn't porn, and I don't think the disclaimer should even hint that it is.

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Primula_Baggins wrote:
I have a problem with "adult" used as an adjective in this context.
That was exactly my concern, Prim.

Mature? Sophisticated? Post-adollescent? :scratch

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Well, if we get too general, we end up implying that the rest of the board is for the unsophisticated and immature. :D

"Discussion of topics appropriate for adults"?

"Discussion of topics not appropriate for children"?

The advantage of that last one is it doesn't zero in so clearly on sex, and it makes clear one reason why the forum is separate—to protect children.

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