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Thank you, Jnyusa. Changing the first sentence clears matters up for me sufficiently, and I will be comfortable with whatever the first kind of hearing is called.

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Cerin, this is from a much earlier post of yours, and it only hit my now that it might betray the source of a misunderstanding. These articles that we are drafting now are the by-laws.

Oh, yes. Sorry, I believe I was thinking of the 'enforceable' by-laws (that distinction that TORN mentioned earlier), which it sounded like we were going to officialize (by listing them or something).

This ballot seems to be smoothed out now, but tomorrow is Mother's Day so I don't think many people will be around.

How about I start the vote tomorrow at 11:59PM GMT. That way we all have all or most of the day off and Monday for voting.

Jn

Happy Mother's Day everyone.

Am I in trouble for making sexist statements on the board?

I posted something here and then edited it out after realizing that I am a total idiot after midnight. Thought we needed to add something and then saw that it was already there. Vote will proceed as planned.

Jn

Happy Mother's and Grandmother's day (though here in the UK we've had our Mother's day some months ago already lol)

All looks spliff and very smooth indeed

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Hearings are convened by an administrator, conducted in a thread in the Jury Room, and decided by a jury of six members.

Will we want to add a mention of the Proctor here, if that office is approved?

Ah, did GC #2 come on Mother's Day? What a cunning plan that would have been!

Sorry to chime in so late, but I've had a very hard time reading the discussions on the current subjects. To be honest, although it's very possible that we are keeping the structures and procedures as simple as we intended, the language IMO is not! It's becoming almost too legal to follow, at least for me.

For example the very first choice: "violation of by-laws" vs "disruption of community".
Personally, I'd say the latter is too vague (although I think Jny explained that such a disruption would invariably be a violation of rules, too? - sorry, I read the discussion very quickly) - but I have only a very vague idea of what "by-laws" are!
I mean I looked it up when the convention started and it came up pretty early on, but it's not something I'm familiar with. So, I'm wondering about people in general - is that a very normal term to use or won't even native-speakers, if they aren't legally trained just go at seeing a text that says "violation of by-laws"?

Cerin: Will we want to add a mention of the Proctor here, if that office is approved?

I have it in the ¶ that follows, where the full procedure is described and forms the foundation for all four procedural paragraphs.

TH: but I have only a very vague idea of what "by-laws" are!

"By-laws" is the most common term in English for the rules of an organization. All native English speakers should be familiar with this, but I don't know about Europeans.

There must be a corresponding term in other languages ... "laws" refer to the rules of political bodies, whereas "by-laws" refer to the rules of businesses and organizations. Maybe someone who is familiar with business terms in German would have an exact translation.

I'll sniff around on Google and see what I can find.

Jn

Thanks, Jny - I understand the meaning, but it's still an alien kind of word for me to use.
I just talked with Elti on IM and asked her, and she said she knew what it meant, but it wasn't a household word, really - nothing you'd use a lot.
I have no idea what those kind of rules are called in German, maybe there just isn't a word, but I guess I thought from that, that average native English speakers wouldn't use a special word for it either.
But if you say it's the most common term, then I guess it's ok.

Thank you, TH! It all looks great, and I put a thank-you in the voting thread in this forum where the sticky was up for review.

If you have to delete that thread and start over, it's perfectly fine with me.

I didn't get a chance to google yet, but I'm going to try to do it right now.

edit in: Also, I will keep a Word copy of all the stickies, too, just as an extra precaution, and we can transfer all back-ups to their final destination when we figure out what their final destination is.

Jn

Question 1:
A. I approve the substance and the text of this paragraph

Question 2:
#1= B
#2= C
#3= A


Question 3:
A. Two

GESCHAFTSORDNUNG

With an umlaut over the 'a'.

That's the one.

Jn

BALLOT
¶3 Hearings and the Selection of a Jury for Hearings

Question 1:
A. I approve the substance and the text of this paragraph

Question 2:
#1= B
#2= C
#3= A


Question 3: Members in a hearing will have the right to contest the following number of potential jurors:
A. Two
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I did not have a chance to follow or participate in this discussion over the weekend and I apologise for leaving the burden to others. I did read through all the Committee threads this morning before voting and there is really nothing that I would have added to the discussion in any case - the issues that occurred to me occurred to others and have been covered.

The only thing I would add now and for the future is that I'd prefer that we don't try to be too specific in defining was is subject to hearing - to leave wiggle room. If we are definitive we don't leave ourselves leeway when unexpected things happen that are not specified. I'd like the charter to allow for interpretation.

I don't know how much I'll be around this week (or next week either) as I have a heavy workload and alot of out of hours commitments also. I will do my best. Apologies for being such a non-contributory member here.

BALLOT
¶3 Hearings and the Selection of a Jury for Hearings

Question 1:
A. I approve the substance and the text of this paragraph

Question 2:
#1=a
#2=c
#3=b

Question 3:
A. Two

Thanks, Jny! - Yes, I know that word! I'd not have thought of it as a translation for "by-law" - something with "law" in it sounds so much bigger! It's a pretty formal word for a MB context, though.

Btw, sorry, I was editing my previous post while you were replying to it - I realised I had posted in the wrong thread, so I cut and copied stuff over into the Bike Racks thread.
Glad you like it!

I'll have to vote tomorrow - can hardly keep my eyes open right now.

Question 1:
A.

Question 2:
#1= A
#2= B
#3= C


Question 3:
A. Two


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Hobby, It's a bigger word in German than it is in English

Actually, if we incorporate as a member-run non-profit organization, we will have to file "by-laws" with the state. That's what the form will call them, and these articles are what we'll file - those having to do with voting at least - so we might as well call them that from the start. Although, the title of this section in the Charter right now is: Our Administrative and Governance Procedures. Maybe we can keep that because its translation is less questionable and put By-Laws in parentheses.

Jn

Hi! I'm annoying.

"Hearing on a Violation of the By-Laws That Disrupt the Community" reads as if it is the By-Laws that disrupt the community. It should be "Hearing on a Violation of the By-Laws That Disrupts the Community" ("violation that disrupts").

I'm sorry I didn't catch this sooner. It can be corrected without restarting the vote, wouldn't you think?

Or maybe you'd rather just .

Prim - oh dear. With the S it sounds like it is the Hearing that disrupts the community.

We should not have tinkered with the titling of these Hearings. I don't know how to fix it at this point because neither of them is correct. And people are voting for it, as second choice at least. Shit.

Let's see first how the vote comes out. Maybe it won't be an issue.

If that option wins, I will take it to mean that people want both elements mentioned in the title, and I will hand it to you to formulate them properly.
We'll do a second poll on that title alone if necessary.

Jn

Sorry sorry sorry. . . . And yes, I guess it could be the hearing doing the disrupting, too. "Hearing on a By-law Violation That Disrupts the Community"?

BALLOT

Question 1:
A. I approve the substance and the text of this paragraph


Question 2:
#1= B
#2= C
#3= A


Question 3:
A. Two