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Jnyusa
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Posted: Mon 16 May , 2005 8:37 pm
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People, I need your advice about a couple things.

1. I was getting ready to add the ratification date to Articles 1 and 3, and I realized I wasn't sure what is the proper way to do that.

Because we take votes on different dates, I have been recording after each clause the date that the committee approved it, and if the committee subsequently amended it before ratification, I note that date as well.

But I'm thinking that once the article is ratified, the approval dates within the committee are not important any longer. I could just replace them with a ratification date at the end of each article. That means the dates after each clause would disappear.

If the membership amends the charter in the future, then I guess we would have to put "Amendment" in red at the end of the article, then the text of the amendment and the amendment date after it so that there would not be confusion as to which clause was in force at any given time. Does that seem sufficient to you?

2. Because there was some chance that the membership might ask us to pull certain items to discuss more thoroughly later on, I also saved the ballot, copy&paste votes, and vote tally from each of the 15 votes that we took in the first committee. If we had to re-discuss something, then I wanted to know what options had been presented and rejected before ... especially if the vote was close.

But the membership did not ask us to remove anything. So I am wondering how important this historical record is to the board? We do have the actual threads, remember. Is it necessary for me to maintain the votes from Articles 1 and 3 on my hard drive? Could I delete them without offending the historians among us?

Don't want to take unilateral action on either of these issues without getting your input first.

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What you propose in 1 seems fine to me.

As for 2, do you mean the actual votes, as in who voted how, or the counts? If the latter, could it easily be saved as an archive thread?

Maybe it would never be useful to anyone, but somehow I hate to see information vanish. :P Though certainly you should not have to maintain it, Jn. If storing it here would be awkward, than as far as I'm concerned, it can go.

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I agree with Prim.

I don't know what form your records are in. It would be best if they could be pasted into the thread before archiving. Preservation shouldn't be your problem.

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I think number one is fine, and as to number two, I agree it would be nice to preserve the stuff, but the onus shouldn't be on you (plus, if you should go missing from b77 where'd our records be? :Q ;) ).

I'd say either put them at the end of the thread, like IS said, or mail them to an admin and they could be posted in the "sensitive info" part. (Depending on whether it's preferable to have the contents readable or not.)

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Sounds fine. I agree that it would be preferrable to preserve the voting info at the end of the thread.


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Ok - hang on ... I can add results to the bottom of the voting threads - in most cases I've done that anyway but if it is an IRV there is all that interim information that is in my spreadsheet and does not currently appear in the thread.

But - are you talking about moving all the Jury Room threads to the Archive? That would really junk up the Archive, wouldn't it?

When we were talking about an 'index' for the Archive, I sort of thought that the thread titles would serve that purpose, but I don't think juries should have to wade through pages and pages of old committee threads.

If there is another place where you can store a thread with nothing but voting information in it, I can do that ... but I have to say that putting the interim IRVs into a form that can be posted is about 50 hours of work ... anyway ... I guess what I would prefer is to have final numbers, like the two highest vote getters, at the bottom of the voting thread.

That would be the easiest for me. Would that work for everyone else?

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It would certainly work for me.

I do think the committee threads are worth saving, but maybe we could make a separate archive for them—"The Mathom Closet"? For things of historical interest, not intended for use as precedents?

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The Mathom Closet

Loverly. :D

This committee comes up with the best names for everything. And I would agree that they should end up somewhere like that.

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I hadn't expected the discussion threads here to get deleted.
Maybe we could put them into deleted thread storage (which is really just moving them to the attic, not deleting them).
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I guess what I would prefer is to have final numbers, like the two highest vote getters, at the bottom of the voting thread.
Sounds good to me. :)
(Don't we have that already,though? You do give the results after the vote!)

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TH: I try to remember to do that, but I'll go back through the locked threads and see if it is missing anywhere.

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Jnyusa wrote:
I guess what I would prefer is to have final numbers, like the two highest vote getters, at the bottom of the voting thread.

That would be the easiest for me. Would that work for everyone else?
Yes!

I love the idea of the Mathom Closet!


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I posted in this thread a couple of hours ago. In fact I posted right after Cerin's first post. It was witty, clever, insightful and a thing of beauty. Now it is gone. Where did it go? Who took my post? :rage:


My posts are always melting in the dark
All the sweet, neat verbiage flowing down...
Someone left the post out in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'cause it took so long to make it
And I'll never have that wittiness again
Oh, no!


Anyway whatever works and is easiest say I.
And won't these threads still be around somewhere in cyberspace?
There are other archived threads somewhere.
Keeping these threads with whatever pertinent info is fine by me.

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Holby, you're a tenor!

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My brother tortured me with that damn song.
I refuse to watch any version of Camelot because of that song.
It is still stuck in my head after all of these years.
Richard Harris is inside my head and won't leave me alone.

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But Holby!

That song isn't even part of Camelot! :D


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But Richard Harris played Arthur in Camelot.

And now he's dead
In Holby's head
oh no

(hits high note in contralto)

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I'm smiggling-diggling on this, people.

Opened a couple threads and realized this method is not optimal. I changed the first post from ballot to approved text when the vote was over. So without the ballot, the numbers don't mean much.

Let me do the following instead (working from the premise that what you want is some kind of sensical record which will go into the Mathom Closet):

I'll reduce the size of all the ballots and put the vote count after each question on the ballot. (I've still got all the ballots on my hard drive.) Each ballot will get it's own post, and when I've posted all fifteen, an admin can lock the thread and it can go into storage with the others. How's that?

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That just tickles every completist bone in my nit-picking editorly body.

Thank you. :Wooper:

You sing beautifully, by the way; you and Holby both. :love:

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I didn't even understand that, but if it works for you, I agree wholeheartedly!

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