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Should we simplify the name of Hearings on a Community Disruption?
Poll ended at Sun 29 May , 2005 3:17 am
No, leave the name as it is
  
15% [ 2 ]
Yes, change the name to: Ordinary Hearings
  
38% [ 5 ]
Yes, change the name to: Hearings
  
46% [ 6 ]
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Jnyusa
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Posted: Mon 23 May , 2005 9:03 pm
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Dear Committee Members,

Feel free to throw cold water on this idea. I might yelp but I won't hold it against you.

The title "Hearings on a Community Disruption" continues to irk me. Not because I prefer to call it Violations, but because we could only think of three choices at the time of the vote, and I really disliked all of them. They were all very cumbersome. And it seemed that no one was completely satisfied that any of the choices described the Hearing properly.

When I keep notes on my hard drive about what we are doing, I have my own shorthand, and I've been routinely referring to ¶4 Hearings as "ordinary hearings."

There are ... ordinary hearings ... and then there are extra provisions when it's a hearing on a ban, a hearing to remove and admin, a hearing to remove an elected official.

It occurred to me that it would be simpler, nicer, and more accurately descriptive to entitle this paragraph, "¶4 Ordinary Hearings."

I know we already voted on a title, and if people feel they need to re-debate the meanings of all possible titles, I would say "forget it - keep what we have" because it really is not worth it to delay the ratification of this article for something like that.

But we have to finish these two other votes and I thought that if lots of other members had a "duh, of course" reaction to the name "Ordinary Hearings" we might run a concurrent poll to give ¶4 a simpler title.

(or not)

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You have courage, Jnyusa. :D

I'm not wild about the current title, either.

I don't think 'ordinary' is quite right, I think 'regular' conveys that concept a bit better.

As far as I'm concerned, we could simplify even further, and just call the first kind of hearing a 'Hearing'.


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I don't like "regular" because it also has the meaning "occurring at regular intervals," which God forbid!

"Ordinary" has a kind of Englishness about it, which I do like.

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Will not object to 'ordinary' if it is preferred. :)


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I like the current name. :devil:


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Shall I shoot him, Jn?

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Nah ... some will want to shoot me

I didn't like my own name for the blinking hearings ... just looking for something simpler to read and to say.

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I don't mind holding another vote on this if you want to run it, Jn.


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Let's wait and see how others respond.

The two draft ballots have to be up for at least a day anyway.

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I like "blinking hearings"! :D

I don't mind either way, whether it's changed or not, but as you're asking: the first thing that came to my mind on reading "ordinary hearing" was: "as opposed to what? extraordinary hearings?"
It might seem to imply we have some other kind of special, more refined hearing. (The one where we use the thumb-screws, I guess. ;) )

But I agree it's much better than "regular".

Don't mind just "hearing" either.

Although, with "hearing to remove an admin" and "hearing on a ban", I guess we should have something descriptive to qualify this one. I don't have a problem with "hearing on a community disruption".

Not helpful, I know. :D

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TH: the first thing that came to my mind on reading "ordinary hearing" was: "as opposed to what? extraordinary hearings?"

Yes, that's exactly right. The other hearings are not ordinary. They have extra provisions because the cases are more extreme.

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I think the current name is awkward.

Ordinary is an extraordinary word. Aside from its normal use it is:

- The fixed part of the liturgy (ritual) of the RCC

- A lower prelate assigned to a judicial task

- The simpler designs in heraldry

- A tavern

"The Ordinary" is a tavern in southern Indiana near Sidonzo's home. It serves ordinary things like pheasant.

I have an affection for "ordinary" because of these other connotations. The RCC arrangement is quite appropriate since there are other forms of the liturgy that pertain to "high mass", "consecrated high mass" and others.

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Ordinary hearings is good. :)

It has the elegance and simplicity of 'The Shire'

and 'New Row' :D

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That's the Englishness I meant. Why go on like some frog-eating foreigner when you can pick a good, solid, obvious English word? ;)

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Primula_Baggins wrote:
...why go on like some frog-eating foreigner when you can pick a good, solid, obvious English word? ;)
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Actually, "ordinary" is derived from the languages of the frog-eating nations, so nothing particularly English about it. :P
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TH: the first thing that came to my mind on reading "ordinary hearing" was: "as opposed to what? extraordinary hearings?"
Yes, that's exactly right. The other hearings are not ordinary. They have extra provisions because the cases are more extreme.
True, but that's not exactly what I meant. ;)

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Primula_Baggins wrote:
That's the Englishness I meant. Why go on like some frog-eating foreigner when you can pick a good, solid, obvious English word? ;)
What, you don't have ordinary in the colonies? I guess everything there was standard or large...or supersize :devil:

I don't like the term ordinary, probably through context. I am not sure of your use overseas but in UK coloquialism it means commonplace. If we talk of hearings as commonplace, we will make them common.

Maybe, in line with the other psudo-english Tolkienesque nameing we have used elswear we could call them Magistrate hearings and Crown hearings for the serious cases. :)

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Dindraug wrote:

I don't like the term ordinary, probably through context. I am not sure of your use overseas but in UK coloquialism it means commonplace.
That's what ordinary means to me, too! :D (I didn't post it because I thought I might have got the connotations wrong - what with being a forriner and such... ;) )

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