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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Posted: Tue 31 May , 2005 11:59 pm
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Members of B77:

There are two more articles of the charter that are being presented to the membership by the charter convention committee for discussion and (hopefully) ratification, plus a small amendment to one of the previous articles already ratified. They are being presented in three separate threads in order to avoid confusion.

This thread covers a proposed change that the committee wants to make to the previously ratified Article 3: Administrators. The committee is recommending that our Administrators be referred to by the title "Rangers."

A bit of history. When the convention first started, I suggested naming the admins "Shirriffs." The idea got tabled for a while, but we raised again recently. In the course of that discussion, it was suggested by Axordil that Rangers would be an even better name. In Tolkien's legendarium, Rangers are noble people, yet self-effacing. They labor ceaselessly for the good of the communities they protect, with no thought of their own glory or self-aggrandizement. I completely agree that these are excellent qualities to look for in our administrators.

Please keep in mind that the only choices that will be put up to a vote is either renaming the office "Ranger" or keeping the name "Administrator" (or "admin" for short). We are not soliciting suggestions for other alternatives. We had some talk in the convention of skipping some or most of the 10 day discussion period for this one, since there really doesn't seem to be much to discuss. But we decided that we went better stick rigidly to the procedure that we set up. :)

We will discuss from Tues May 31 ~11:59 pm GMT to Fri Jun 10 ~11:59pm GMT. We will vote from Fri June 10 ~11:59pm GMT to Mon Jun 20 11:59pm GMT. Ratification requires a quorum of at least 39 votes and a super-majority of at least 2/3 of the votes.

The full charter can be read HERE

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As long as changing it won't confuse potential or new members, I don't care if admin is changed to ranger.

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I like it. It's got the right ring to it. Yes, I think it's appropriate. :)

Besides, I'm the type of person who would totally forgot who all was adminating (not a word, I know. Can't think of the real one. . . ) at the time, so it would be kind of nice to have a reminder. But then again, that's me just me being my usual forgetful self.

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Something I've always wondered - where do little rangers come from? Tolkien spoke of male rangers wandering the wilds and acting as bouncers on the borders of the Shire, but where were their women folk? Were they rangers, too? Where did they raise their kids? (Besides the famous case of Estel in Imladris.) Sorry to be so philosophical about this point. Just wondering what it would feel like to be a female ranger, when, up until now, I thought they didn't really exist. So to speak.

Just call me duna-dame. :D


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Just wondering what it would feel like to be a female ranger
Haven't read any Pony RPs lately, have you? ;)

Rangers would sound great to me if I didn't watch so many episodes of Walker, Texas Ranger. :blackeye What I ever saw in Chuck Norris is beyond me now. :D Was there some adjective that went with Rangers (of the North?). I'd suggest Dunedain, but that would confuse the newcomers. Or is it a good thing?

Seriously, Rangers are fine, Admins are fine. It's all good. :)

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Laurie, I'm afraid Tolkien envisioned a fairly stereotypical structure in Dunedain society...while the menfolk went out and brought home the bacon (or 'Ranged' in this case :D ), the womenfolk stayed home in the small settlements up north of Bree and brought up the younglings.

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That was pretty much the entirety of Tolkien's social structure in ME, aside from specific women at specific times (Eowyn). Honestly, I don't see why administrator needs to be changed as it doesn't affect the administrator's powers and duties, but I'm not going to stop everyone from doing it.

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Apart from the little kick I get from constantly reminding myself of Tolkien's world (and imagining Strider, my favourite Ranger :love: ) I think that most people come from MB's where Administrator means Supreme Power! even moreso than moderator. As our admins do not have Supreme Power, it would be a good thing IMO to have a title that does not have that connotation for innocent newbs.

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Now that I thought about it - maybe Dunedain wasn't such a bad idea. A surf-by newbie who understands the allusion is almost certainly going to fit in here, even though this is not a Tolkien site per se.
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Though I still think either Admin or Ranger is fine.

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Ranger would bring in the Babylon 5 people as well, and they're quite nice. :D

In any case, the choice being offered is Admin or Ranger. The committee brought up, discussed, and discarded many other ideas on the way to this one. Ranger was the first and only "Tolkien" title that really grabbed wide support in the committee, and our hope is that the rest of the members might agree.

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I don't like "Rangers", that sounds like Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires.

I propose "Tribunes" (with the addendum "of the people").

But "Shirrifs" I find good also.

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Impenitent wrote:
I think that most people come from MB's where Administrator means Supreme Power! even moreso than moderator. As our admins do not have Supreme Power, it would be a good thing IMO to have a title that does not have that connotation for innocent newbs.
We don't have supreme power? :Q :bawl:

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Good point, Imp! :)

laureanna, we'll be the first female Rangers, then - let's make history! :D
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I don't like "Rangers", that sounds like Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires.

I think that describes the office quite well! :P (Apart from the "only you" bit - but preventing forest fires is fitting, I think. :) )
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I propose "Tribunes" (with the addendum "of the people").
Doesn't the word have negative connotations these days?

Anyway, I looked it up and some things are curiously fitting while others are not.
"Tribunes were first elected in the people's gathering, later in tribunal committees" - hehe, sounds like us.

"They had immunity and those who acted against them were cursed" - not like us. ;)

"In an emergency they could enforce measures against everything and everybody" - hmmh, partly, I think.

"The office of people's tribune surely is one of the most interesting and one of the strangest forms of representation of the people to be found in any constitution in world history." - :D

(Sorry about the rotten translations, am in a bit of a hurry.)

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I have a question ... for Alandriel, perhaps.

Can we actually change the title 'Administrator' as it appears in orange on the board itself?

If no, how about when we move and have more things under our control?

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truehobbit wrote:
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I propose "Tribunes" (with the addendum "of the people").
Doesn't the word have negative connotations these days?
I dunno. The original Tribunes were elected by the tribus (as a noun still surviving in our "tribe"). There was never a similar office anywhere after the roman res publica, not even in France.
The only tribune still in charge is the Herald Tribune (and maybe some other papers).

I have more problems with "Rangers". Even though our admins might have more similarities with all kinds of rangers from "Mighty Morphin'" to "Forest", this term is too military in my opinion (humble).

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I still wonder what is wrong with Administrator?

Ranger leads people down certain tracks, the term being derived from the lawless vagabond disposed and self govening border reavers and all that, (or the raggers of medieval Europe etc depending how you look at it). Neither is really a name to inspire trust. Think of Buterbeer's (:P) description of Strider in The Prancing Pony.

Not sure I would be able to take the term seriously at all, and would not use it if it was me.

When did we turn into one of Baden Powell's little spin off's anyway, or will 'Scouting for Boys' become vital reading for the members here ;)

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I like Rangers.

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I like Rangers, too. :)


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"Rangers" is fun.
"Administrators" is stuffy.

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Jnyusa wrote:
I have a question ... for Alandriel, perhaps.

Can we actually change the title 'Administrator' as it appears in orange on the board itself?
I'm not Alandriel, but I'm pretty sure the answer to this question is no. We can't even upload our own smileys. :roll:

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