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Jnyusa
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Article 5: Dispute Resolution in the Outside Forum


The Bike Racks Forum (¶1)

The board will not intervene in disputes of a personal nature between members. We provide The Bike Racks forum where members can resolve disagreements.

If one or more members are disrupting a thread, the admins can split off the disruptive posts and send them to a new thread in the Bike Racks, but posters cannot be compelled to participate there. If they walk away from the argument, that’s OK.

Posters in the Bike Racks can ask for mediation if they want it. Mediators are members of the Jury Pool who have said they are willing to mediate as well as serve on juries. Thread participants must agree on one mediator.

Jurors (¶2, ¶3)

There will be a Jury Pool, and members become eligible to serve as jurors after 3 months and 100 posts. The Mayor is responsible for informing members when they become eligible. There is no board-wide objection process for entry into the jury pool as there is for entry into the administrative pool.

Six jurors will be used to decide a hearing. Jurors are selected in the order in which they entered the pool, given their availability (and age, if a TOE violation is involved). Members involved in a hearing are allowed to contest two jurors, so a sufficient number of jurors are assembled at the beginning to allow for objections. A current admin is responsible for assembling the jury.

Hearings (¶3, ¶4, ¶5, ¶6)

Hearings are held for violations of the by-laws, or to remove an admin or elected official from office. In cases that do not involve banning, jurors are allowed to impose penalties subject to restrictions set by the charter and listed below. In the case of a banning, members at large afterwards vote whether to uphold a banning decision by a jury.

The actual procedure for a Hearing is described in ¶4.

The board-wide voting provisions for a Hearing on a Ban are described in ¶5; and the provisions for a Hearing to Remove an Administrator are described in ¶6. We have postponed discussion of ¶7, Hearings to Remove an Elected Official, until after the Article concerning Elected Officials is finished.

Appeals (¶8)

Decisions made by a jury and penalties imposed by a jury can be appealed. A group of administrators hears the appeal and the process is described in ¶8.

Offenses that Merit a Penalty and Maximum Penalties a Jury May Impose (¶9)

Hearings can only be held for violations of the by-laws recognized by the charter, and juries are limited in the penalties they can impose for particular violations.

In general:

• An immediate ban can be imposed for spamming the board with ads or pornography, hacking the board, refusing to abide by the decision of a jury, threatening real life violence, or deliberately introducing a virus.
Immediate bans do not specify a duration, and the member must petition to have the ban reversed. (The petition process is contained in Article 3: Administrators, ¶5: Special Powers)

• A temporary ban of specified duration can be imposed for persistent posting of objectionable content or pictures, using the board for illegal purposes, repeatedly exposing other members to viruses through negligence, and using PM’s or email to harass or defame other members.

• For other violations, first offense penalties are restricted to temporary suspension of posting rights in specific forums.

Archives (¶10)

Interesting cases can be summarized and posted in the Archive Forum with the names of the posters removed.

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Looks great, Jn. Thank you so much. I think we can send this to the members.


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Wow. I feel that Article 5 is an excellent achievement. Thank you for that great summation, Jn!
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The board-wide voting provisions for a Hearing on a Ban are described in ¶5; and the provisions for a Hearing to Remove [and] Administrator are described in ¶6. We have postponed discussion of ¶7, Hearings to Remove an Elected Official, until after the Article concerning Elected Officials is finished.
That would be 'for a Hearing to Remove an Administrator, etc.'

I recall a short time ago (I can't remember where), it became evident that some people didn't realize that controversial provisions would be removed from the proposed portion of the Charter up for ratification. In other words, they thought that if they found something objectionable, they had to vote against the whole proposed segment being ratified, and they thought that doing that would be an insult to the committee and mean we had wasted our time. So essentially, it was expressed that they felt they had to support the Charter since we have put so much time and work into it.

So I would suggest making it very clear in the introductory post that portions that garner significant objection will be removed, and will not sink the balance of what is proposed, and that we actually want to hear from people if they object to certain portions of the proposed articles. :)


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Fixed the typo. Thanks, Cerin.

Yes, I heard the complaints too, as well as the complaint that three links to the discussion thread weren't sufficient. This was the introduction to the last ratification vote:

Members of B77:

Here is a summary of the Charter Articles we have worked on so far. This is posted for you to discuss until May 2, and then we will have a ratification vote to approve or reject this text.

The full charter can be read HERE

Please discuss in this thread. If there are parts of the text that are very controversial, we will remove them before the ratification vote and save them for more detailed discussion with the membership later on. So please express your opinions freely.

Thanks!
Jn


Too bad Roac isn't here. He could act it out with sock puppets.

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People skim things that look official. For some it almost seems to be a badge of honor to be deliberately clueless about what's really going on—and then shocked, shocked to discover that final decisions are actually being made in this establishment.

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And with a giant olive! Thank you, Prim.

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I think that introduction would be fine, with the final two sentences bolded and/or enlarged, and maybe a little addition:
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Members of B77:

Here is a summary of the Charter Articles we have worked on so far. This is posted for you to discuss until May 2, and then we will have a ratification vote to approve or reject this text.

The full charter can be read HERE

Please discuss in this thread. If there are parts of the text that are very controversial, we will remove them before the ratification vote and save them for more detailed discussion with the membership later on. So please express your opinions freely (you will not hurt our feelings).

Thanks!
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Looks great :D :bow:

and yes, a bit of bolding and enlarging surely does not hurt :)
and you need to change the date.... of course
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There's another typo here:
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Hearings (¶3, ¶4, ¶5, ¶6)

In cases that do not involved banning
And I think the new name of just "hearing" works very well. :)

LOL, good idea about bolding, Cerin - if someone still misses that, there's really no help for it, I think. :D

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Thanks, TH. I fixed that typo and a couple others I found.

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Yes, doesn't 'Hearings' work well!

What a nice new avatar, TH. What is the setting? I can't quite make out what you have in your hands.


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Fyi, people, my ISP is totally F*&^%d. We've been down 12 hours out of the last 48, and they're rerouting through different servers or something which makes it impossible to navigate. I have to hit submit buttons 5-6 times, get error messages, and keep trying until the line clears enough to accept my bytes.

I don't know how long this problem will continue, but I can't really justify the delays this is causing and the bite it is taking out of my work. So, if I'm scarce on the ground for the next day or so, please accept my apologies.

Voronwe, I couldn't get a PM reply box up to answer your message, but I can't discuss possible approaches to posting the actual document until this other problem gets solved anyway. Sorry - I asked a question and now I can't talk back and forth about it.

I'm going to read here now until I lose the connection again, and then I'm going to quit the MB for the rest of the day.

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Cerin, thanks! :)

The pic was taken in my parents' garden last year, on the steps from the terrace into the garden - I'm holding a bunch of rose blossoms. :)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/t ... 600016.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/t ... ssmall.jpg

Are the flowers in your pics from your garden, too?

Jny, don't worry - good luck for a speedy return to connectness! :D

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How lovely, thanks for the links! :)

I don't have much of a garden (our property poses some challenges), but yes, my pics are from my two big patio pots.


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Jn, maybe its a subtle hint that you need a small break. ;) I'm sure it will be up and running steady soon.

Cerin and Hobby, you both have lovely pictures. :)


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Thanks, Voronwe! :)

Cerin, the pots are a lovely mix - and very hobbitish! :)

Lobelias, petunias (I think, though they are a bit smaller than petunias), pansies (?) and tagetes (do they have a popular name in English?) - not sure about your avatar pic, are they zinnias?

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Yes, it is a mini-trailing petunia that blooms so lushly! (Calibrachoa hybrid the label says).

Would the Tagetes be the Marigolds? (the orange and yellow ruffled?)

The avatar pic is a very small flower called Argyranthemum. I don't know the proper name for Zinnias, but perhaps they are related. :)

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Oh, the pink flowers are Nemesia.


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Totally OT

Glad th and cerin's discussion has started up as I've been very curious about cerin's pictures. They're absolutely lovely.

th, maybe tagetes are marigolds? Are you talking about the big yellow and orange ones. I don't see any petunias though. Your parents' garden is lovely. I'd love to have huge flowering bushes like that.

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Jn, I can sympathize with your ISP troubles. It's a pain isn't it? Use the time to relax. You deserve it.

edit: I see Cerin posted before me. Interesting petunias! Maybe their common name is wave petunias? Those can trail. No zinnias in your pictures though:

http://www.gardenguides.com/flowers/annuals/zinnia.htm

Hmm...maybe we should move on over to the gardening thread? ;)

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The mini-petunia is barely in the pic (as it is cascading over the edge of the pot in the most marvelous fashion). :) It is the little fluted shape hanging down just above the pink flowers, and showing a little to the side of them.


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