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QUESTION 1: approve the creation of a standing committee for Amendments to the Charter, subject to questions 2 and 3
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 2: approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee. The first is required by Article 5; second is the same as the mechanism for committee on binding votes

A. I approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee

QUESTION 3: approve the composition of the commitee
A. I approve the composition of the committe under these various circumstances

QUESTION 4: approve the creation of a standing commitee for Binding Votes and Initiatives. All of the terms by which this committee operates are being voted on separately as Article 7 of the charter.

A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 5: approve the inclusion of the Election Committee in this article. All of the terms by which this committee operates were approved separately as Article 4, ¶4 of the charter.

A. I approve the inclusion of this committee in this article

QUESTION 6: approve the creation of a standing committee for Technical support

A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 7: approve the creation of a standing committee for Business Matters
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 8: approve the text regarding ad hoc committees (an example of an ad hoc committee would be the committee we have now, composed of Mossy and Pips, to plan the July 6th opening).

A. I approve the text regarding ad hoc committees

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Since I am heading on holidays tomorrow for 2 weeks, I fully expect that this was my last ever vote on the Charter. I'd like to personally congratulate all of the constitution members from the beginning through to now and I'd like to apologise to anyone I butted heads with!

Jnyusa and Voronwe, you two deserve extra praise for the monumantal task you have achieved. I'm sorry for the flak you had to take, but please be assured that the vast majority of us appreciate and recognise the huge effort you have put in. You deserve to be very proud. I know I am proud to have worked with you all!

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QUESTION 1
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 2.

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A. I approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee

QUESTION 3:
A. I approve the composition of the committe under these various circumstances

QUESTION 4
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 5
A. I approve the inclusion of this committee in this article

QUESTION 6
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 7:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 8:
A. I approve the text regarding ad hoc committees


Thank you for your kind words, Alatar. They mean a great deal to me.


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QUESTION 1:
A. I approve the creation of this committee


QUESTION 2:
A. I approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee


QUESTION 3:
A. I approve the composition of the committe under these various circumstances


QUESTION 4:
A. I approve the creation of this committee


QUESTION 5:
A. I approve the inclusion of this committee in this article


QUESTION 6:
A. I approve the creation of this committee


QUESTION 7:
A. I approve the creation of this committee


QUESTION 8
A. I approve the text regarding ad hoc committees


I second Alatar on his comment though I'm not as lucky as him to be going anywhere much yet :D
Have a good holiday Alatar :wave:
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QUESTION 1: A.

QUESTION 2: A.

QUESTION 3: A. .

QUESTION 4: A.

QUESTION 5: A.

QUESTION 6: A.

QUESTION 7: A.

QUESTION 8: A.

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Q1: A

Q2: A

Q3: A

Q4: A

Q5: A

Q6: A

Q7: A

Q8: A


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Faramond,

would you mind help to count the vote at the end?

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Yes, I'll help count the vote in all four open ballots.


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QUESTION 1:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 2:
A. I approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee

QUESTION 3:
A. I approve the composition of the committee under these various circumstances

QUESTION 4:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 5:
A. I approve the inclusion of this committee in this article

QUESTION 6:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 7:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 8:
A. I approve the text regarding ad hoc committees

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QUESTION 1: A.

QUESTION 2: A.

QUESTION 3: A. .

QUESTION 4: A.

QUESTION 5: A.

QUESTION 6: A.

QUESTION 7: A.

QUESTION 8: A.

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Jny, sorry I didn't have the time to come back here earlier after I posted my question a few days ago! :oops:
Yes, I think my doubts were about the big batch of question 3 - I see option B has been changed, so that's a good alternative to voting the whole thing down for maybe one aspect.
Although reading it today, I don't see the problem anymore I seemed to see last time. :oops: :blackeye


QUESTION 1:
A. I approve the creation of this committee


QUESTION 2:
A. I approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee


QUESTION 3:
B. I am uncomfortable with this and wish to discuss it more before voting.

QUESTION 4:
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The purpose of this committee is to decide whether a Binding Vote of the Membership should and can be held, in accordance with Article 7, and to conduct any subsequent voting process.
In article 7 it says:
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A request from the Mayor, or from two current Rangers, or from five registered members regardless of status will be sufficient to convene the Committee on Binding Votes.
I don't understand that! :bawl:

What's the final procedure?
The way I read the quote from this ballot, the mayor, rangers or members think that something should be voted on and request that the committee should convene - and that committee will then discuss whether there should or should not be a binding vote on that question?

When I read the ballot for article 7, though, I thought the committee being formed would automatically mean there will be a vote, and the committee's job would be to come up with the text to be voted on!
(Unless, of course, the committee finds that the vote is impossible because the subject has been voted on before - but that is not the same as saying "The purpose of this committee is to decide whether a Binding Vote of the Membership should and can be held", I think.)

From article 7:
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The Committee will be convened by posting a sticky thread in the Business Forum announcing that a vote has been requested and accepting volunteers in order until the committee is filled and composed as required
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The Committee will create the text of the ballot, edit the ballot into the first post of the Business Forum sticky thread created for the vote, and allow ten days of discussion among the membership


QUESTION 5:
A. I approve the inclusion of this committee in this article


QUESTION 6:

A. I approve the creation of this committee

Approving because it sounds ok, but I understand neither of these terms:

- expertise in internet capability
- administrator of record

(No offense, but on the whole I think the language of this ballot is too much legal jargon.)

QUESTION 7:

A. I approve the creation of this committee


QUESTION 8:
A. I approve the text regarding ad hoc committees

(With this text, our current ad-hoc committee was convened in a highly unorthodox manner! ;) )


On the whole, although I think there's no harm in having all these committees, I think there are too many of them, and I can imagine it'll be difficult to staff them all effectively.

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QUESTION 1: A.

QUESTION 2: A.

QUESTION 3: A.

QUESTION 4: A.

QUESTION 5: A.

QUESTION 6: A.

QUESTION 7: A.

QUESTION 8: A.

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QUESTION 1:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 2:
A. I approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee

QUESTION 3:
A. I approve the composition of the committee under these various circumstances

QUESTION 4:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 5:
A. I approve the inclusion of this committee in this article

QUESTION 6:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 7:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 8:
A. I approve the text regarding ad hoc committees

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Hobby: Yes, I think my doubts were about the big batch of question 3 - I see option B has been changed, so that's a good alternative to voting the whole thing down for maybe one aspect.

Oh, I see what you were referring to now. Yes, I agree that's a big batch of stuff :) and it's all basically first draft. But no one raised any questions about it, and I thought they might not realize that they have questions until we actually started voting, so .... it's not too late!

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Hobby, re your other questions:

What's the final procedure?

The final procedure is in Article 7. There’s more to that article than just the one clause.

I thought the committee being formed would automatically mean there will be a vote, and the committee's job would be to come up with the text to be voted on! ... (Unless, of course, the committee finds that the vote is impossible because the subject has been voted on before -

Unless, of course ... yes, that’s the key. That’s what the “should” in this Article refers to.

- but that is not the same as saying "The purpose of this committee is to decide whether a Binding Vote of the Membership should and can be held", I think.)

But it is the same as saying “whether a Binding Vote of the membership should can can be held, in accordance with Article 7 ... which is what the full text here says.

Unless I’m missing something important. It’s hard for the one who drafted the text to see it with objective eyes. If others are finding this contradictory, please speak up!

I can imagine it'll be difficult to staff them all effectively.

They’re not all in existence simulataneously. Most of them will rarely be needed. But when we need them, we won’t have to vote to create them because they’ll already be ‘authorized’ by the charter. That's the only reason we're creating them now. If a committee is needed on some kind of emergency basis in the future, we've spared ourselves the first and longest step in the process.

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QUESTION 1:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 2:
A. I approve these two mechanisms for convening the committee

QUESTION 3:
A. I approve the composition of the committe under these various circumstances

QUESTION 4:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 5:
A. I approve the inclusion of this committee in this article

QUESTION 6:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 7:
A. I approve the creation of this committee

QUESTION 8:
A. I approve the text regarding ad hoc committees

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VOTING IS CLOSED.

Here are my unconfirmed results. Faramond will also count. I will not be able to post charter text until after lunch (dinner in Europe). Also, so many questions were asked/raised during the voting process that I would like to put some of the items from all four ballots in a new thread for a quick clafying discussion when I return. Jn

Ballot 42

Question 1
A=11
B=0

Question 2
A=11
B=0

Question 3
A=11
B=0

Question 4
A=11
B=0

Question 5
A=11
B=0

Question 6
A=11
B=0

Question 7
A=11
B=0

Question 8
A=11
B=0

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TrueHobbit voted B for question 3, but otherwise I confirm your count, Jn.

Edit --- or did she change that vote?

I'm confused. I guess it's a moot point as far as the vote passing is concerned


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She was going back and forth because we were discussing the meaning of the question. But that's another one that I wanted to pull out for further discussion.

Wait - I have B for Hobby's question 3, I copied wrong into the post above. But the other statement is also true ... We'll take one more look at this before putting any of these for ratification.

Just ... a bit later ... like, tonight - and the Europeans will have it to look at tomorrow.

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Ballot and results have been put in the Ballot archive. Approved text is now in the first post.

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