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truehobbit
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Article 9: Policy on Forum Readability

It is the policy of board77 that new forums will be created as read-and-write forums for all registered members, and will be read-only to the public, unless otherwise designated by a Binding Vote of the Membership conducted according to Article 7.
Changing the permissions of an existing forum also requires a Binding Vote.


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A. I agree with this Article
B. I do not agree with this Article

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Jny remembers that in the business forum someone suggested "that we should have a policy in the Charter that new forums will be readable by all registered members and by the public unless a Binding Vote of the members is held to designate the forum otherwise.

That way we could not have admins starting new fora and arbitrarily making them invisible."

Admins can only start fora when a majority of them agree on their necessity - but I guess that it would still be possible for an admin team to deliberate in private about that and start a forum which the membership doesn't know about (ok, at least until the next round of admins comes in).

Technically, I'd say it's not well possible for admins to start secret fora without the membership noticing sooner or later, at which time they could challenge the decision of the admins to have made such fora.

On the other hand it's much easier to prevent these things before they happen - objecting to given facts is always so much more forbidding to people than being asked your opinion before something is decided.

So, the policy sounds good to me!

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Yea!

It's not so much the danger that the admins would create a forum and hide it from the membership, but that they would decide on their own, for example, that the forum would be hidden from the googlebots (like a new Member's Lounge), or have restrictive permissions (like a new ToE or a new Jury Room) and these are things that should probably be voted on by the membership.

I recall that when the Archive was set up, it was invisible at first to everyone not serving on a Jury. That was our double-protection for members: names deleted + invisible forum. Now, as a result of the Charter, it is a read-only forum visible to everyone, and it is clear that the consensus of the board has shifted with regard to what is seen and what is maintained rather than being deleted ... so it's a good idea to set the general policy now while we have the charter in front of us.

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How about a simple "Yes"? ;)

Yes, members votes should be required to change readablity or permissions policy on a forum.


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Aye. Nice easy one this :-)

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Everyone is so keen to limit Ranger powers!

Probably because it's a good idea. . . . :D

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No controversy at all? :Q

Are you sure you are alright, guys? :suspicious:

;) :D

Ok, then - draft ballot in the first post. :)


Jny suggested the text of the ballot, but I wonder if it shouldn't rather say
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It is the policy of board77 that new forums will be created as read-and-write forums for all registered members, and will be readable to the public, unless otherwise designated by a Binding Vote of the Membership conducted according to Article 7.
I know "readable" is a clumsy word, but, technically, "visible" might just mean that the public can see the forum title, but not read the threads.

Not sure, though, depends on how the others interpret "visible".

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"And read-only for the public"? This limits it to read-only. Opening a forum where unregistered people can post certainly ought to require a vote of the membership.

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Oh, I wasn't going to suggest posting rights for non-registered people! :Q

Yes, "read-only for the public" is much prettier than "readable for the public"! :)

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Yes, read-only is fine.

And Faramond mentioned something that should be in there, too:

Yes, members votes should be required to change readablity or permissions policy on a forum.

Changing existing permissions on an existing forum should also require a vote.

Jn

edit to add: So the title of the Article should be Forum Readability and not New Forum Readability. (sorry for the oversight, TH)

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No problem! :)

I edit the changes in, and then I'd say the poll goes up tonight?

Or is that too soon?

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I see no reason to delay it.

I'd say fire ahead!

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Thanks, Alatar :) - just a little wait to see if anyone objects to my phrasing now.

I couldn't insert the bit about changing the permissions of existing forums into the same sentence without making it really unwieldy, so I added a sentence.
If someone can come up with a better phrasing, please say so!

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That looks fine to me, Hobby!

Maybe we could do this vote at the same time as the Mayor election voteso that people can vote twice in one visit?

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Jnyusa wrote:
Yes, read-only is fine.

And Faramond mentioned something that should be in there, too:

Yes, members votes should be required to change readablity or permissions policy on a forum.

Changing existing permissions on an existing forum should also require a vote.
What? I suggested something that wasn't already there?

Smeesh, I must be daft. I thought I was echoing what was already written!


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Oh ok - so I wait a bit?

(Had just meant to put up the poll)

No problem. :)

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I'm fine with it either way - either going forward with this vote now or waiting until the vote on the Mayor's election is ready to go. Hopefully, no one will have any more suggestions there and we can go with both soon. :)


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