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Has enough of a change in circumstance occured to make another ballot necessary on this issue? (STRAW POLL ONLY)
Poll ended at Wed 27 Jul , 2005 4:45 pm
Yes
  
67% [ 8 ]
No
  
33% [ 4 ]
Total votes: 12
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Axordil
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Oh wait, this question is still outstanding:

Can someone edit a post of theirs in a locked thread? If so, how would an edited thread (option B) be locked down to prevent tampering?


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My understanding is that no one can edit posts on this board in a locked thread, which is why the thread had to be unlocked to permit members to edit their own posts.


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No, you can't edit your own post in a locked thread. A Ranger has to unlock it first.

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Should we then remind people that the thread is going to remain locked under option B?


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Ax, I think what this means is that we have to remove the last sentence from option A. We aren't considering unlocking the thread at this point, right?
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A) Leave the thread as is. No board-sanctioned action will be taken on the thread beyond possibly changing the disclaimer (see Question Two). As always, members retain their right to edit their own posts.

Perhaps in the intro to the Binding Vote discussion we might want to raise the question of whether the thread should be opened again for personal editing. But wouldn't that bump the thread? And haven't people already done their editing in advance of the last vote?

Ax, I wonder if you could copy and paste the ballot into the first post in the thread, that would make it a little quicker to find for reference purposes.

When you said bring for a vote, did you mean for the committee to vote on the ballot?


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Cerin--
I'm not sure there's anything left for us to vote on, unless we just want to affirm what we've already decided plus the wording fixes, which seems like a waste of time to me personally...

I will move the ballot to the first post at this point for ease of review.

I don't think any of us anticipated a result by which the thread would be unlocked. But if someone STILL wanted to edit their post in the thread, they could ask for permission under A), correct? My concern is that if someone could ask for permission under B) as well, they could undo edits the board has approved.


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I'm not sure there's anything left for us to vote on, unless we just want to affirm what we've already decided plus the wording fixes, which seems like a waste of time to me personally...
So you were saying you'd like to post the ballot in Business for the discussion to begin, then? (just wanted to be sure I understood you) :)

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But if someone STILL wanted to edit their post in the thread, they could ask for permission under A), correct? My concern is that if someone could ask for permission under B) as well, they could undo edits the board has approved.
Oh, I see. Perhaps it would be best to just drop the mention of personal editing at this point, since I think everyone who wanted to edit did so before the last vote. That would then eliminate the possibility we want to avoid.


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Voronwe:

Does a member still have the right to edit posts they have in a locked thread?


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I think we should indeed omit the last line of option A). It would simplify things no matter what the ruling from V. without changing the situation on the ground.


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Ax, I agree. If someone wants to edit their post, they will ask about it.

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I guess I should remind people that the unratified Article we are using as our guideline for this vote also sets up a routine voting cycle, such that votes should begin during the first week of a month. That means that discussion should begin somewhere in the third week. Unless the Mayor rules that it is an emergency and can be voted on out of cycle.

The other thing about this vote is the quorum requirement ... to calculate the quorum under the as-yet-unratified rules, we'll need to see the voting results of the current ratification threads, which will conclude on August 8.

Perhaps Voronwe could give us a ruling on this as well, whether we should set aside these requirements because the Binding vote article has not yet been ratified (vote whenever we feel like it, and use 39 as the quorum number) or whether we should try to adhere to them.

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Thanks for pointing that out, Jny. On one hand, while I think we should try to be consistent, I also think holding this particular vote would be much like lancing a boil...conveniently enough, the Mayor isn't very far away...:D

I would like to have this voted on ASAP, with either the quorums currently in use or the revised ones that will be available 8/8.


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I'd personally rather get this over with so we can put it behind us more quickly.

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I agree with Fregla on this.

But I do want to see what Voronwe has to say.

So we wait until August 8?

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Well, it could go up for discussion as soon as we hand it off to Eruname. Ten days later, when the voting start, we should have the quorum numbers from the current votes.


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Hand it off to me? :Q Why? I didn't realize the mayor had to post it.

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Oh, well, I thought if the mayor declared it an emergency vote the mayor would be the one to post it. But that's just my streamlined way of looking at things. :D Who DOES post votes normally then?


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I thought I'd just post to say I'm around and reading, just don't have anything to say. Looks good, everything. :)

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BTW, Hobby, I just thought I would let you know that my son says "mommy" whenever he is watching me post and your picture scrolls by...it does resemble Mrs. Ax before she had herself shorn. :D


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Quote:
Who DOES post votes normally then?
Ax, according to my recollection from the Constitutional Committee, the person leading the committe discussion posted the ratification thread with introductory remarks in Business.

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