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laureanna
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I think Alatar is referring to the B77 password, the one that allows access to admin email and the innards of the web pages at www.b77.com. Though we change the passwords here on the phpbber site whenever we get a ranger turnover, the password at B77.com has not changed. It is still Lidless's site at this point, so rangers aren't messing with it. I assume that once it becomes the non-profit's site, passwords to the "back end" could be changed on a regular basis.

I favor the move. As I have mentioned before, phpbber.com has the option of erasing our entire existance, without notice, if one of their techs sees something he/she doesn't like, and interprets as pornographic.


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Jude wrote:
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I also tried restoring from phpMyAdmin which was unsuccessful, probably due to the size of the file.
What errors did you get ?
I tried the same thing - no error messages, just didn't work.

Would be cool to be able to look at the server log, though.
Yep, dont you have acces to the log ?

What exactly did you do in myphp ?


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I did get errors when I tried from within phpMyAdmin. I'll run it again later and post the errors.

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Can I please just poke in here to say: Please - if at all possible - take the tech stuff to the other thread.
What's happening now in this thread is what I was trying to avoid - stuff being fragmented here and there and the more this happens the less easy it becomes to keep track of things. ~ Thanks :)

As to .org vs. .net etc.

Frankly, I don't think we should run b77 as a .org. For me it too much has the feel of an 'organization' and I just can't get to see b77 as an 'organization'. Perhaps all I need is to get my brain stretched a bit *shrug*, I don't know. It just doesn't 'feel' right :roll: :D
I'm quite certain that dot com won't impede our non-profit status - but then I'm not a lawyer. Perhaps Voronwe could give us the real info on this. I'd be much more comfortable with .com


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No problem Alandriel. Tech discussions will continue in the other thread,

I prefer to stick with .com also. It's the net standard and is the assumed extension. People normally only look for the others when the .com is already taken. Of course, there's nothing (bar money) stopping us from buying up the .net and .org addresses also and pointing them all to the same address.

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Yes, I agree. The only reason I have protectingrights.net for my own domain name is that protectingrights.com was taken. And I sometimes have problems with people not finding my website or their emails not getting to me because they insist on typing .com instead of .net.

As for whether .com would somehow threaten our non-profit status, I sincerely doubt it. Isn't theonering.com a non-profit?


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Of course, there's nothing (bar money) stopping us from buying up the .net and .org addresses also and pointing them all to the same address.

I think Liddy has already done this. If he had not, I wouldn't have bothered mentioning it. But we do have a choice as far as I know.

dotcom should not affect our non-profit status. It's only a matter of the correct description of our site. Technically we're not a commercial site. Voronwe, your website is a commercial site so it would have made sense for you to use dotcom if it hadn't been taken.

theonering is not non-profit; it is also a commercial site.

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For what it's worth, I like .net best (it seems to have an ambiguous connotation, which I like), but I am fairly confident that what we choose would have absolutely no affect on our tax-status.


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So let's start SELLING stuff!

What'll we get for one of these babies? :Wooper:

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I too prefer .net to .com or .org. Whether or not it really has any legal effect (which I have not been able to determine, though I suspect that TORN is right and it doesn't), .com is intended to be used by commercial sites. I have the same feelings about .org that Viv does, so I'll just second her comments. .net is designed for sites having to do with the internet. That is perfect IMO for this member-run internet community. :)


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*Alandriel*
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Axordil wrote:
.net really SHOULD be reserved for actualy telecom networks, ISPs, et al. .org seems like a better fit to me.
Just how binding is that 'should'?
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..I too prefer .net to .com or .org. Whether or not it really has any legal effect (which I have not been able to determine...
well, we need to know. Does anyone else know where we can find out for sure?

I much preferr .net over .org but, to keep it simple, would really stick with .com :) Lidless did indeed register all 3 domain extentions and I believe they're valid for two years. (I'll PM him after this post so that he can give us detailed information).

Once we make a decision to stick with one of those (and I guess it will come down to a board-wide vote) do we really need to keep the others beyond the time that Lidless has purchased them?

If we choose anything but .com, then I'd say yes - let's also keep .com registered and point it at what will be our site.

However, we're already discussing the details - which is fine of course :D I take it then that pretty much everybody favors a move to our own place?

Is there anyone here who - generally - would rather stay on the free phpbb site?


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Just to touch on something that seems to have been shuffled under the pile...
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- we will have to somehow get money to pay for hosting bills
Exactly how much money are we talking about here? I honestly have no idea what so ever about the numbers for this. edit: just read the "Thread for Technical Discussions regarding Board77" thread; question answered lol

Personally, I'd prefer it if the company who hosts the board was to do a once-daily back up, keeping say, a week or two's worth of back ups in case of sabotage. Please don't think I'm saying it could or would happen here; I watched it happen on another forum I was a mod for, and I'd rather not see it happen ever again.

Anyways, back to the money issue... if we had a donation/advertisement thing set up, that wouldn't effect the desired non-profit status, would it?


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if we had a donation/advertisement thing set up, that wouldn't effect the desired non-profit status, would it?

Sprite, no, it shouldn't. Non-profs take donations.

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So let's start SELLING stuff!
So long as its not Tolkien stuff. ;)

And let me know so I can move on over.

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The key to being a non-profit isn't avoiding money, it's avoiding a profit. That's why big non-profits (such as the American Red Cross, United Way *boo* and the Boy/Girl Scouts) can pay their CEOs salaries not incommensurate with those normal CEOs should make;) , in the high six figures.

Not that I would ever suggest we pay ourselves...but we COULD and not lose non-profit status. That's how forgiving it is.


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Well - if we ever get that loaded with donations and ad revenues perhaps we can start by paying our Rangers and the Mayor.

That would be one way to 'encourage' volunteering, aye? :D

...just kidding... or then, perhaps not

;)

Things is, you know that most people here hate adds. It would be great if our place could be run by member-donations only (or perhaps two different kind of membership levels, a higher one to stay add free). Not everyone will be able to pay though - some countries don't allow for easy credit-card payment and checks in foreign currencies can also be problematic.
What do you think about monetary contributions by the membership? We've discussed bitts of this in the past and back then generally it was felt that no big deal should be made out of it, e.g. don't tie signature priviledges to dues.
But I feel we do need to make it a bit attractive so that people can show that they are sponsoring members. Question is just how - in an unobtrusive yet still visible way.

Still thinking..... :scratch:


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I dont want to sound like a broken record here, but vBulletin has paid subsriptions built in for that eventuality

Payment gateways are

PayPal
Nochex
WorldPay
Authorize.net

the vB board also offers superior admin and mod status,

There is a super moderator and admins can be given different level of permissions

The best way to take a look at the admin section of a vB board is to look here

Demo admin panel here http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php

Manual here http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/

Put in your name and email, they will then give you a username and password to access the admin demo site

Then when in the vbulletin demo site access the admin panel (top right) with

username: Admin
Password: admin

Take a look

phpBB is excellent for a free piece of kit and i cant knock it as i have used it many times.

If you want to see your site running (board77) on vB then let me know and if someone can ftp me the database i can set a test one up for you with password access only (my vB license requires this)

On the backup front then this can be setup on a cron job (automatic) but with a site of 300MB which will only grow having this automatically emailed to members would be a problem for not only timeouts but mail box limits!

300mB would have to be ftp'd for a good success rate, other thank that the backup would have to be broken into manageable chunks and emailed.

You could have it set to email members when a full backup is taken and give them a link to download it by ftp once a week perhaps


Then have the system do an incremental backup daily or 6,12,18 hourly and automatically email this to those 4 members...

You can also have a specific page built ie

www.board77.com/forum/backupnow.php

This would run a backup immediately and then it would be available as an ftp download, meaning any group of members with the password for the ftp and backup now url could run a backup and download it reagrdless of how the automatic cron job was set up!

Cheers

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That would be great Dave. The DB dump is at http://www.board77.com/test/board77.sql

I'd be interested to see the vBulletin version.

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Alatar wrote:
That would be great Dave. The DB dump is at http://www.board77.com/test/board77.sql

I'd be interested to see the vBulletin version.

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OK

Downloading it now, ill then have to convert it then upoad it and have the db restored, may take a wee while, will keep you posted


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dave
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One thing i notice, after having a look at your ranks thread

The rank you guys have is presumably set up in phpBB as a Usergroup by an admin ( Ranger ) for users who wish this ?

Is this correct ?


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