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ToshoftheWuffingas
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OK, not certain I will have the time but I will volunteer too. If I am trusted.

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I've decided I'm going to step away as soon as Eru is ready to assume the Mayor position on this committee. I'm sure everything will go well, but at the moment I don't have the focus the issue deserves. :(

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Can we have a running list of the volunteers on the first post, Alatar?

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Done.

Ok, we have our committee folks. Get discussing!

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Axordil
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We need a Jury Room thread and access. :D

add: ah, we have a thread now...and I at least have access.

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I am not able to reply in the Jury Room, at least so far.

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I just discovered another reason for you ToE folks to be very, very careful who you let into the forum. Apparently there are people who just cruise around the phpbber.com messageboards just looking for anything that violates ToS so they can report it to the admins. :neutral:

Here's a link to a thread by one of them:
http://www.phpbber.com/support/viewtopic.php?t=724

I used to be offended by the walls built around ToE... but now it seems they are necessary to keep the casual snoops from bringing down all of B77.


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Axordil
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I am saddened to hear that, but not terribly surprised. :(

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All committee members now set up with access for the Jury Room

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just fyi,

I went to the link Maria provided and clicked on the links within that link that were supposed to be TOS violations. Public access via the links has been replaced by a message that the forum violates the TOS and the owners should contact phpbber. So apparently they do shut down the site until the problem is resolved.

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No, it says "Your forum is under investigation for violating our Term of Service".

The guy has been looking for profanity as well so trying to make it seem like ToE is only endangering b77 is bs.

Again, we are the number one message board on phpbber. They've also backed up our site. Do you think they haven't noticed what goes on here?

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edit: too late Maria. I saw precisely what you wrote.

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I was hoping no one saw it.
After I analyzed the amount of physical response I was having, I decided it was probably a PMS overreaction.

You didn't really call me a liar. It just felt that way.

I feel so psychotic. :(





edit: added "I was having"


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Jnyusa
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Eru: The guy has been looking for profanity as well so trying to make it seem like ToE is only endangering b77 is bs.

Either I misunderstood what I was reading there, or you misunderstood what I was saying.

I wanted to see what that 'ducksomething' person considered a TOS violation so I clicked on the links he/she provided to the admins. But the links no longer take you to the forum as they must have done when 'ducksomething' posted them. Now they take you to a message from the admins. So it appears that the admins did close the forum. You can't get in it now.

I did not say that the admins would close ours. I did not even suggest this.

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I'm not sure where to post this (this thread, the ranger one where this is kind of being discussed or in the jury room) so pardon if this isn't right. I wanted to crosspost one of Jn's ideas as it's something the committee could consider.
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ToE is not readable by the public, but the protocols we adopted do make the ToE accessible to the public after 3 months and 100 posts. We could alternatively have drafted into Article 6 the provision that no new members would be admitted to ToE until after the date at which those few existing underage members had passed their 18th birthday. The 3/100 provision could have gone into effect only after the 18th birthday of all existing ToE members.

I don't know how Idylle, Voronwe, TORN and others feel about this, but if ToE is not accessible to the public ... meaning that no one I know can register here and become a member and join the ToE and see that underage persons are active in it ... I would not have minded leaving those posters alone until they turned 18. There is some very slight risk associated with this but it is a risk I am willing to take for the sake of online buddies, just as some of TP's friends are willing to take certain risks on her behalf, within reason.

(We can still pass a provision like that, in fact - simply close the forum to new members until the existing members are all of age. The committee working on the revised access rules may want to consider this.)

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Erunáme wrote:
I'm not sure where to post this (this thread, the ranger one where this is kind of being discussed or in the jury room) so pardon if this isn't right. I wanted to crosspost one of Jn's ideas as it's something the committee could consider.
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ToE is not readable by the public, but the protocols we adopted do make the ToE accessible to the public after 3 months and 100 posts. We could alternatively have drafted into Article 6 the provision that no new members would be admitted to ToE until after the date at which those few existing underage members had passed their 18th birthday. The 3/100 provision could have gone into effect only after the 18th birthday of all existing ToE members.

I don't know how Idylle, Voronwe, TORN and others feel about this, but if ToE is not accessible to the public ... meaning that no one I know can register here and become a member and join the ToE and see that underage persons are active in it ... I would not have minded leaving those posters alone until they turned 18. There is some very slight risk associated with this but it is a risk I am willing to take for the sake of online buddies, just as some of TP's friends are willing to take certain risks on her behalf, within reason.

(We can still pass a provision like that, in fact - simply close the forum to new members until the existing members are all of age. The committee working on the revised access rules may want to consider this.)
I would have no objection to this solution so long as I wasn't not working on incorporating the site during that time period.

Edit: But as I said elsewhere, would it be fair to make this exception for the two that already have permissions for ToE and not other under 18 year olds that are not as close to their 18th birthday?


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Is this also going to be the thread for user comments on the points under discussion in the committee?

If so, I first want to thank Cerin for raising some vital issues about the legality of this discussion - like she, I was satisfied by Voronwe's explanation of the difference between a Binding vote and a Charter amendment, but in general I had the same concerns she had, and was worried at the fact that no one seemed to think it necessary to look into these.

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Hi, truehobbit! I haven't seen you around lately and I've missed you. :)


Yes, yes, yes!!! This is the member discussion thread. We need and desire input from the membership.

Alatar, could you put up a global announcement or something, to let people know this is being discussed and their input is vital, and to link them here to make their comments (which will then be incorporated in the Jury Room discussion)?


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Primula_Baggins
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I think the thread title should be changed to make this clear that this is now the member discussion thread. :)

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I have difficulty commenting on something that I have no knowledge of. I have inferences, references, and some membership, but nothing that I would use to have a serious conversation on the subject.

I shall wait until a decision is made, and perhaps a better description of what the group is, before I decide whether or not to participate further in discussions about ToE as my limited Internet legal expertise is not needed. I find myself waffling between whether or not even joining the group is a good idea, as I am willing to give advice on other people's sexual lives when asked but believe my own is for my own private pleasure, except where examples might be necessary and then I would be vague. If such a practice would be unwelcome there, I would best not join the group at all.

To me, ToE is some back room where things happen that I hear about but am not quite curious enough to go looking into most of the time. Kind of like that closet in your neighbor's house they never open.

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