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Aglanor
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Well, so can I...:P



Well, a Dutch/German accent. ;)

I still need to read the main thread, but I may play a con-artist, who stole a ticket to escape the police who was hot on his tail. Stole a fitting suit and changed his name as well, since it was a 'posh' ticket.

Anyone can give me a few English posh names from that time?

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James :p got to be James :P

and am i getting a Titanic flash back darling? :P stealing suits and winning tickets? ;)

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Okay.... stop chatting folks and write!!!!

(seriously, I'd be happy, but if not I'll just go ahead and land a few people on the island)

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Okay, that was my first post. Jae, I hope you don't mind if my character's name is James, it might actually be fun for your little boy, could break the ice in interesting ways. Or if you guys think that will make it too confusing, I'll change it, but I'd rather keep it this way and see what can come of it.

My character is (I apologise) a young man called James Parkinson, born in 1781 to a family of good name but a small income. His parents both died when he was young and so he has no strong ties to anyone else in his family(families are bothersome :P I admire you, Jae, for tackling a mother and daughter scenario, I could never work with that). James is aboard the ship as companion and assistant to Frederic Milne, a naturalist and his good friend. (I don't plan to have Fred survive the voyage, or at least, end up on our island. He's just an accessory. I feel so cruel.) James is a mediocre artist- he can draw well enough to provide documentation of Australian fauna and flora, which was indeed supposed to be his role in Fred's expedition, but he is not talented enough to be accepted into the Royal Academy. His application was rejected and as people of mediocre talent usually do, he feels indignant of the critique.

He agreed to take part in the voyage for adventure as well as an opportunity to make a name for himself. But he is really not concerned about it all that much, believing that good fortune and success will smile at him whether he works for it or not. Fred is the one with the true drive and passion for the project. He intends to do a thorough research on the indigenous plants and animals of Australia. (I don't care if this field had already been covered in 1803, let's pretend there was room for more discoveries, can we please? I'm pretty sure they hadn't found all there was to find yet. At the least, we can assume Fred was the sort of person who was sure he'd make The Discovery of The Century the moment he stepped off the ship. It doesn't matter anyway since he never makes it to the island.) The compilation was meant to be published with illustrations by James, who despite his lack of artistic originality could make excellent drawings of plants and bugs.

I have no idea what he looks like yet but that can wait. At the moment I expect he's drenched and looks quite pathetic. :P I suppose I can give him brown hair and brown eyes.

All okay with you guys?

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I don't care if this field had already been covered in 1803, let's pretend there was room for more discoveries, can we please?
Ro, it hadn't even been started by 1803, there had only been a few shiops travelling over there by then with any sort of scientist on them (except debters and drunks of course ;) ).

Remember this is pre Darwin by 30+ years, and he was investigating the well established and known South American coasts and Galapagos, not the sandy land mass on the antipode :Q
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Anyone can give me a few English posh names from that time?
Read a Sharp book ;) Better still, do a random search on the census for the UK, names do not change much except by fasion between 1790's and 1850's, well much.


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I confess, Din, when I saw you had posted here my blood went cold. I was afraid you'd be telling me off for getting everything completely wrong.

:D :rage: :love:

I know I got the wrong idea of what the ship looks like but as it's quickly sinking, it doesn't matter much. ;)

Are you going to play here or not, damn you? :P Or just lurk over our anachronisms?

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Rodia, I did not have yet the time to read, but I just love you for having posted. :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

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And I love you for your patience and your idea for this RP. It's just right up my alley of interests at the moment...

*dives back into pile of books...Cook...Kon-Tiki...Crusoe...*

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What I have so far:

Real name: Jim Bishop
Name: John T.W Lawrence

Jim Bishop was born as a carpenter’s son, and grew up in the outskirts of London. His family had money, but were far from rich. However, he did get to go to a decent school. When his father died in a robbery on his store, the family went down. Mother and daughter went to live with the mother’s brother up North. Jim stayed in London, and found a way to make money. With his wits and agility, he picked pockets, scammed people and gambled his way to profit. But with money, comes street reputation. He was becoming well-known and thus suspected. After being nearly caught in a con, revolving insurances, he decided to leave the country and try his luck elsewhere. Making his way to the harbor, he stole tickets from the nearest man he could get to. The ship was bound for Australia, the same afternoon. First-class ticket. So Jim had to steal clothes and accessories, fitting for someone affording a first class ticket. A quick run through London, doing his best in as short a time possible, gave him a fake passport, registered to John T.W. Lawrence, two suitcases with clothes and jewelry and accessories that spoke ‘wealth’.

He boarded the ship, and enjoyed the casino and the bar online, having money enough after robbing his bank account, and various other ones.

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Rodia wrote:
I confess, Din, when I saw you had posted here my blood went cold. I was afraid you'd be telling me off for getting everything completely wrong.

:D :rage: :love:

I know I got the wrong idea of what the ship looks like but as it's quickly sinking, it doesn't matter much. ;)

Are you going to play here or not, damn you? :P Or just lurk over our anachronisms?
I will do, but horrendously busy at the moment. I have loads of writing homework to do, and reading, plus work crud, and just havn't found time to do more than poke at some of the more obvious anacronisms :P

But you know me, historico-archinquisitor. :devil:

Still pondering a native headhunter ;)


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Because knowing that my idea of such a journey is not historically sound is driving me bananas, I've gone and found some helpful and informative links about early 19th century sailing...

http://www.lib.mq.edu.au/all/journeys/ships/
http://www.lib.mq.edu.au/all/journeys/s ... ssels.html

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Travel by sea in the late 18th & early 19th centuries was arduous, uncomfortable, and at times extremely dangerous. Men, women and children faced months of uncertainty and deprivation in cramped quarters, with the ever-present threat of shipwreck, disease and piracy.

Passengers on ships could be officials, or the brides of officials, soldiers, or soldiers' wives, merchants, emigrants, convicts, indentured servants, slaves, debtors, stowaways, visitors - or invalids seeking a healthier climate.

Some of these individuals recorded their travel experiences in diaries and letters - and today these writings provide an invaluable insight into their lives and their shipboard experiences. When they wrote they tended to concentrate more upon the places that they visited rather than detailing their experiences at sea. Similarly, their comments on the vessels on which they sailed tended to be brief, limited to listing the comfort (or discomfort) that they experienced, and only indirectly describing the workings of the ship and its crew.

The reasons for this are varied, but among the practical considerations would have been the rolling and pitching of the ship, the dimness of the lanterns below decks, the distraction of other passengers, and, of course, seasickness. Furthermore, great personal commitment would have been required to sustain a diary over a voyage lasting three or four months. It would not have been easy to generate something new to write about every day once the strangeness of the ship had become familiar and the routine of life at sea had been established.

The long journey between England and Australia via the ports of South America and/or the Cape of Good Hope was no exception. The number of accounts by men is quite extensive and many of these were kept by officials who were familiar with the requirements of record keeping.

Pretty pictures to set the mood; maps and charts of NZ and Australia from the 19th century:

http://www.gracegalleries.com/Australia_Listings.htm

and an awesome source of antique nautical prints that show more or less what our ship could have looked like:

http://www.theageofsail.com/index.htm


Two great places for maritime links, though bitchy to search:

http://www.boat-links.com/boatlink.html
http://www.apparent-wind.com/sailing-page.html

Whew.

In short (and Din please correct me if I'm wrong :P ) I have a feeling that our notions of first and second class tickets, cabins, and in general our vessel being mainly a passenger ship with all comforts are a little off. We're thinking Titanic when we ought to be thinking Bounty. (well, a little later than that but you get the idea...far from anything comfortable.)

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Rodia, I like the bio... I like the idea to drown someone right ahead (must be the Hades side in me), I'm crazy for the research you have done and I'm violently happy to write.

Aglanor, the pick-pocket also sounds great, especially as my vicar will certainly want to convert him ... my God we need more women on that boat. I'll check all the links and see about the first and second class stuff.

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Aaah, but Jim is very clever not to do anything suspicious on the boat...;) So the vicar will not know of his previous 'occupation'. I'll get to posting as soon as possible...:D

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Nin, I don't know if Fred will drown or not- frankly I don't care. :P Poor James will never know.

;)

My research is pitiful....all internet-based and very coincidental... I'm hoping Din will point out our possible mistakes mercilessly. :P But I think since we're at the very very beginning of the 19th century, and have been sailing for close to a year by now, the world moves forward without us. Our ship, our fashions, our knowledge can and probably do date back to the late 18th. This means the ship is not a passenger ship but rather an adapted merchant or war vessel...little cabin space rather than a lot, conditions spartan rather than luxurious, uh, I'm not sure about Ag's casino and bar...:P I think such a ship might have probably been 'dry', except for wine at the Captain's table... ummmm my meagre knowledge of maritime expeditions to the Pacific is based in the 18th century but I'm sure that most of it still applies, since in those days changes took a little longer than today when we know about the latest technologies the very day they come out.

*flips eagerly through the Encyclopedie Maritime de Diderot et Alembert that she forgot she had. :D*

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In short (and Din please correct me if I'm wrong ) I have a feeling that our notions of first and second class tickets, cabins, and in general our vessel being mainly a passenger ship with all comforts are a little off. We're thinking Titanic when we ought to be thinking Bounty. (well, a little later than that but you get the idea...far from anything comfortable.)
To be blunt Ro, yes you are right. Though ships carried passengers, they were not passenger ships in the modern sense. To get an idea of the ships, watch 'Master and Commander'. There is an even better example in a series recently on BBC about a ship sailing to OZ in this period. I just can't remember the name.

But it would be brutal. A private cabin for example, and that would mean a cubby hole with ahmock and water running down the walls would cost the equivalent of a 1st class cruise ticket today, and it is unlikely that anybody could con their way in. The bulk of the passengers would travel in the hold, would be crammed in. The closest exampkle would be slave ships, but with more comforts (say a hamock each) and no chains.

A least part of the passengers would be convicts, being sent out to repay deabts to the state! These are the people who were sent overseas for rustleing sheep or stealing braed. Poor folks indeed.

There would be no casino, and no bar as such. But lots of rum, it was still part of a sailors rashion until the beggining of the twentieth century (or may even be much later, like 1980's). Most passengers would drink because there was nothing else to do to stem the boredom.

Oh, and Pasports are later inventions for the most part, and clothing would be kept in trunks, a small one for travel, a sealed on for when you get there.

Hope this helps.

and watch Master and Commander for the idea of shipboard life ;)


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:D I love that movie.

(and I'm so glad for once I'm retaining something from the books I read...w00t! :blackeye: :blackeye: )

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I'll edit my background later on...:roll

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Fantasy's so much easier isn't it! :LMAO:

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Okay, folks, after having used the pretexte to buy Master and Commander (I nickname my husband like that btw :P) just remember that the ship will sink anyway within the next few hours and we will be lost on an island where we can fix all of the rules ourselves... or maybe face the moral dilemmas of having to live an exceptionnal situation with a 18th century education... And that we can hide or show our backgrounds just as we like.

How I saw the cabin out of which I sent Nigel: A more or less closed room with several wodden bunk beds and nothing else. People putting their trunks whereever they can, and trying to remain as dry as possible. No intimacy. Now, some cabins could be for a bit less people.... but you'd have to find a reason why a rich guy would want to go to Australia- maybe to be nominated gouverner down there....

Oh, and I'm very happy today, just with the perspective of writing.
Expect something more creative tomorrow.

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Well, I consciously gave Fred and James separate cabins as I imagine they would have been commended and sponsored by...er...whatever Society wanted to have dibs on a complete study of the antipodes. :P The need for space to transport specimens would have been stressed- however the cabins would have been small and modest. In any case, neither was sailing at his own expense.

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