Facts are fine. Personal disputes go in the Bike Racks though, if you guys want to continue stuff not BNP-related.
Regarding white supremacy in the BNP, I see the danger signs. And, of course, there is a pretty potent element of racism in any nationalist movement. Anyway, I saw this on
another board I lurk on (there are other things I'm supposed to be doing today, but there's only so much code trouble-shooting me brain can take):
In response to the comments that we have been unfairly bashing the BNP, I have written the following debate, based on real BNP opinions expressed during the Euro campaign, their website and in previous years. Of course, this is a work of fiction, the views expressed herein, unfortunately, are not.
Host: Welcome to the Great Debate. In the red corner, we have Mr Phil Pages of the BNP. Good afternoon, Phil.
Phil Pages (PP): I object. I cannot possible be in the red corner. Red is for commies and socialists. The very people who are ruining this country.
Host: Sorry, Mr Pages, there is nothing we can do.
PP: Humph.
Host: And in the blue corner, we have Mr Joe Bloggs, of the Common Sense Police. Good afternoon, Mr Bloggs.
Joe Bloggs (JB): Afternoon.
Host: Let us begin with the BNP view on racial purity, since that is the core of your policies. Mr Pages, could you tell us about your party's thoughts on that.
PP: Yes. We believe that Britain is in trouble due to the huge tide of those who would pollute the purity of the British nation. We believe in Britain for the British and will stand up for the rights of British people.
JB: Define British.
PP: What do you mean, "define British?" What are you, stupid or something?
JB: Not at all. I just want you to tell me, what do you mean by "British."
PP: What a crazy question! We all know what British means. The flag, the Union, the Queen...
JB: ...who is of German, Danish and Scottish descent.
PP: Nonsense! The Queen is the paragon of Britishness.
JB: Nope. If you read your history books you will read that her family is German and Danish, with a little Scottish mixed in.
PP: Are you crazy? She is from the house of Windsor...
JB: Which changed names during the First World War from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, a German name, if ever there was one.
PP: Well, I, er, she is an Anglo-Saxon at least!
JB: So, what you are saying is that British means "Anglo-Saxon?"
PP: Hrumph.
JB: Because if that is what you ARE saying then you are excluding our Celtic brothers in Scotland and Ireland. Do you want to exclude them from a "racially pure" Britain?
PP: Of course not. They are British too.
JB: So I return to my question. What is British?
PP: Don't be so daft. We all know Britishness. A quiet game of cricket...
JB: a sport probably invented in Belgium.
PP: Preposterous!
JB: No, seriously. The latest research suggests it was first played in Belgium.
PP: Well then, to be British means to drink tea!
JB: First drunk in China and imported to the UK. An immigrant, if you will.
PP: Ah-ha, I have you now! To be British, you must have British parents and they must have British parents and so forth. Immigrants are not British.
JB: So, how many generations do you need to be British?
PP: The more the merrier, my old son.
JB: How many?
PP: One need not count such things. If your family is British, so are you.
JB: What if you're black?
PP: Can't be British?
JB: So the descendants of slaves imported in the 19th century are not British but those whose parents came over from France in the 20th century are?!
PP: Stop splitting hairs! You are just being silly now. Besides, to be British, you must speak English. A language of purity.
JB: No, actually it's a mongrel tongue built on several different routes from Sanskrit to Latin.
PP: Liar.
JB: No, really it is.
PP: Well, then, how would you define British?
JB: I wouldn't.
PP: How stupid! Why not?
JB: Apart from legal ideas like which passport you have, you simply CAN'T define it. Every barrier you build excludes the very things we associate with this country. If you find one that doesn't seem to, you end up with equally stupid conclusions.
PP: Ah-ha, but what if you can trace your family back to Roman days?
JB: So to be British means to be Italian? No, sir. Even then, you can't win. If you want to go that far back, you either call Britain Celtic or Roman, neither of which leads to the racial purity you seek. It can't be done.
PP: Ah but the Britons...
JB: Same Celtic family as the Bretons in France. No British at all. You see migration has always been a key factor in the history of any country. North Africans came to Britain with the Romans. Our legal system and democracy has echoes from Greece and Rome. Our food hails from India, Pakistan, Italy, France, Greece, pretty much everywhere but here!
PP: I can't believe it.
JB: Ah but you must.
Host: Thank you, gentlemen for your debate today.
Hardly unbiased, but it makes a point.