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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan , 2018 4:01 pm 
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Amazing! Sharing with my guitar buddies!

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jan , 2018 5:04 am 
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https://www.facebook.com/britishpilgrim ... O1Ong_bqtw

I think that will work even if you're not on FB. (It's a public post.)

It says it's the oldest lullaby in Britain, sung in Old Welsh.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jan , 2018 10:56 am 
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Thanks for posting that! That was fascinating.

The words were not what I expect to sing to a child. I guess children were different back then :D

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jan , 2018 2:36 am 
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This is relevant, but only to the US posters. The rest of you, you lucky sods.


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jan , 2018 7:40 am 
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Good documentary.

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jan , 2018 1:54 am 
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:suspicious: That's for Jude.

:damnfunny: That's for Frelga.

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jan , 2018 11:28 pm 
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So Frelga's language guy is on holiday, and his guest presenter this week happens to be a Canadian guy with a short documentary on our tenth prime minister, William Lyon Mackenzie King.

Mackenzie King was a weird guy. He got political advice from his dead mother and his dead dog - apparently this came out only after his death.

When I was a kid, we used to visit the Mackenzie King estate, named "Kingsmere". The main attraction for us was the Kingsmere Ruins (or as we called it, The King's Mere Ruins"). You see, whenever a bank or suitably grand building was being demolished, Mackenzie King would have the facade or building front moved to his estate (at his own expense, I assume). There were quite a collection of these by the time he died. Together, they can give the impression of being the remains of some ancient castle - at least, that's what we liked to pretend they were.

Anyway, if you 8 or so minutes to spare, pull up a chair and learn about our creepiest prime minister (so far):


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan , 2018 4:12 pm 
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If you ever wondered what American English sounds like to non-native speakers, here's a 1972 song by Adriano Celentano, which sounds like it's in English but is just gibberish. One of the comments called it uncanny valley for the music. But in a good way.



You guys know Adriano Celentano, right? He's a brilliant Italian comedian, actor and singer, and if you haven't seen any of his movies, you should.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan , 2018 4:22 pm 

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I'm not sure that really works, if you're an English speaker and used to the language patterns.

On the rare occasions when I've "heard" the English language as foreign, because I had been immersed in a different language and was half-asleep, American English sounded very harsh to my ears.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan , 2018 7:14 pm 
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Works for me, and I'm a native English speaker (if my Irish dialect counts as English)

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan , 2018 7:35 pm 
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This is a perfect opportunity to post this old classic from Catherine Tate:


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan , 2018 10:25 pm 

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Works for me, and I'm a native English speaker (if my Irish dialect counts as English)


But do you hear it as, for instance, someone who normally speaks Chinese or Spanish or Estonian would hear it? I have my doubts that it can take you outside your normal speech patterns enough to do that.

For instance, if I hear Estonian, the words are gibberish to me, but I have a nagging feeling of vague familiarity, probably because it comes from the same language group as Hungarian.

It's all seems very subjective: http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/05/how-does-english-sound-to-foreign-ears-3950935/
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‘I think British English is very beautiful,’ said Rachel Xiao, a native Mandarin speaker who has studied English for three years at language school International House London. ‘It’s very flowy. When I hear native speakers, it’s like you’re singing a song because all the words seem connected together,’ she added.

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Barry O’Leary, who has taught English as a foreign language for ten years, says his students in Spain have an interesting way to describe how we speak our language.‘They say we speak like chickens,’ he revealed. ‘We don’t open our mouths; it’s just a continuous stream of sounds they’ve never heard before.’


vs. my own impression of English as being harsh and rather ugly after hearing nothing but Hungarian for a couple of weeks or more. Or even after a week in Estonia, with a background of strangers speaking Estonian.


On that note, I thought this was interesting:
https://www.fastcompany.com/3054304/the-first-language-you-learn-changes-how-you-hear-all-other-languages-after
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The first language you learn as a baby “locks in” certain patterns in your brain and affects how you will learn other languages in future. Even if you forget that first language, it will continue to influence how you hear the sounds from other languages you may learn. Researchers from McGill University and the Montreal Neurological Institute found that different parts of the brain light up when hearing your own original mother tongue, compared with words from a subsequently learned language.

I know I inevitably pronounce new words with the accent on the first syllable. It's worse if I've only read the word, but even with spoken words, I have to train myself to stress the correct syllable.

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Jan , 2018 3:05 am 
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To me, it captures that wrow-wrow quality of American English that I don't get from the UK version. It's like hearing a radio that is just a little too low to make out words, and my brain desperately wants to make sense of the sounds.

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Jan , 2018 1:06 pm 
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There are a number of non-English phonemes in there. To me, it sounds something like Portuguese, perhaps as spoken by US expatriates who haven't quite lost all traces of their southern accents. And with a bunch of "all right"s thrown in :).


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PostPosted: Wed 31 Jan , 2018 2:16 pm 
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I thought it rather worked. It felt like it could be English, and my brain was trying to figure it out.

(And Jude's video was brilliant! :LMAO: )

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Feb , 2018 3:02 pm 
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This is the most ridiculously hardcore thing I've seen this year. A fire soccer match? Why isn't everyone on fire?

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb , 2018 1:06 am 
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Why is it that all I can think is:

It must involve males.


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb , 2018 1:19 am 
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LalaithUrwen wrote:
Why is it that all I can think is:

It must involve males.


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That crossed my mind as well. :)

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Feb , 2018 11:37 pm 
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This will be appreciated by any normal-sized person who's attempted to play Rachmaninov:


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Feb , 2018 3:58 am 
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:rofl: That is brilliant and very, very true!

(And I have big hands. :P Or long fingers, however you want to look at it.)

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