Thanks, C_G. I clearly misunderstood your previous posts in this thread.
I could join jewelsong and crucifer and look at the good points only.
I will say that I don't find that entirely fair. I certainly don't feel I was looking at good points only. In fact, I don't think I was looking at any points at all. Certainly, in my own everyday life, I avoid this absurd, closed-eye optimism that can be prevalent (and, I also find, which goes hand in hand with a reluctance to challenge and an aversion to being challenged). I do, however, think that it's important to look at good points and bad points, instead of just saying "this is what is bad. tut tut"
My understanding is that libertarians want less government involvement. Public healthcare, higher taxation, more social programs, etc make the EU look a lot less libertarian to me.
Well then count me out of the group dubbed libertarians. Stick a red star on my forehead and call me a socialist, but I disagree with a government that sits on a high throne and makes laws without actually engaging in social issues. Just my opinion, you understand. Not an attack on anyone.