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halplm wrote:

Right... man all those people against mass infanticide are real morons...

No one said that, they just were poking fun at the approach taken to get the point across.

Try posting to the topic, instead of calling people names.

Hal, taken in this context, those supporting this boycott are. The fact that they support anti-abortion campaigns has nothing to do with it other than that they seem to think that the word choice must always have pro-abortion connotations. You must admit that this is moronic. Many pro-life people are, I believe, highly intelligent people otherwise, and no one has disputed that fact.

ETA: x-posted with Rebecca

There are many many examples in the world of groups taking things out of context and rallying around them to advocate their cause.

The ONLY reason this one came to anyone attention was so that pro-choice people would point and laugh and look down upon pro-life people... not just this one group.

That was the tone of this thread, and I stand by my sarcastic remark

Right, so I, as a pro-lifer who understands this is stupid, am obviously pro-abortion because I can see that the word "choice" is just a word.

Hal, please, I think you're a wonderful person but you're not doing much to make me want to uphold that viewpoint.

There is nothing wrong with thinking this is stupid. It is stupid. Parading it around accomplishes nothing but putting down pro-life people.

People operate by associations in their minds. How long does it take to forget the name of the obscure organization that had this stupid boycott idea? How long until the story is repeated as "There were a bunch of stupid pro-lifers who boycotted Krispy Kreme for using the word choice?"

That's the only point of perpetuating this sentiment, and I object to it.

Well, when I retell the story to anyone that I know, it would be "There were a bunch of idiots". No need to identify them as pro-lifers from the beginning.

Idiots are idiots no matter what their political leaning.

Hal, the same logic applies to these particular pro-lifers themselves.

You see, people operate by associations in their minds. How long does it take to forget the name of the not so obscure organization that had this stupid advertisement idea? How long until the story is repeated as "There were a bunch of stupid doughnut people who were totally pro choice?"

Crucifer wrote:

Hal, the same logic applies to these particular pro-lifers themselves.

You see, people operate by associations in their minds. How long does it take to forget the name of the not so obscure organization that had this stupid advertisement idea? How long until the story is repeated as "There were a bunch of stupid doughnut people who were totally pro choice?"

In this case, it doesn't really work like that. Many people think pro-life people are stupid, or they look down on them as "unenlightened" or whatever. By perpetuating this story of a small subset of them that ARE acting stupid, you strengthen that association and belief.

Abortion and donuts aren't associated in almost anyone's mind, so saying a bunch os stupid donut people are pro-choice would not make sense out of context, and doesn't perpetuate the already intense negative feelings people have over the subject of Abortion.

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and doesn't perpetuate the already intense negative feelings people have over the subject of Abortion.

Well it created some pretty intense negative feelings these people now have over the eating of doughnuts.

halplm wrote:

By perpetuating this story of a small subset of them that ARE acting stupid, you strengthen that association and belief.

So, when someone does something stupid we can't talk about it? Because then other people might form negative associations with the group they're in?

Shoot, what about the Darwin Awards 2008 thread? Some of those stories were about men. Now I think all men are stupid. Oh dear, some were about women so I think all women are stupid.

Damn.

To put it bluntly:

All of Alma Cogan is dead.
This does not mean, however, that all dead people are Alma Cogan.

This basic logical connection can be made by anyone worth talking to, and can be applied to many different situations.

Here are a few more.

All cows eat grass.
Not all grass is eaten by cows.

All members of Al-Quaida are followers of Islam.
Not all Muslims are members of Al-Quaida.

etc.

I believe that every single member of this board is able to apply this simple logic.

That picture is awesome, lol

Crucifer wrote:

I believe that every single member of this board is able to apply this simple logic.

Indeed, but that doesnt' change the fact that I see the perpetuation of this story as an attempt by some to label pro-life people as stupid.

I have every right to object to it.

And the rest of us can disagree with your objection.

of course you may. In fact, I expect most of you will. Does that mean I shouldn't object in the first place?

No, but it does mean everyone should refrain from childishness.

Who was being childish? SF? I agree.

halplm wrote:

Crucifer wrote:

I believe that every single member of this board is able to apply this simple logic.

Indeed, but that doesnt' change the fact that I see the perpetuation of this story as an attempt by some to label pro-life people as stupid.

I have every right to object to it.

If a suicide hotline decides to put up big "Choose life" ads and pro-choice people start demonstrating against it because clearly, anyone who uses the word "life" is against abortion rights and freedom of choice for women, I'm fairly certain that "pro-life" groups will happily report on that "news" story as an attempt to label some pro-choice people as stupid. And, frankly, they would be right. This sort of idiocy is worth chuckling at, and frankly, it's more fun when it comes from people who take the opposing point of view. But it's not worth more than two seconds, and anyone who tars all pro-life (or, whee, anti-choice) people with the same brush as a result of a "news" story like this is as stupid as the anti-Krispy Kreme forces.